Charles O'Neill/annie Lewis

Post by **adelongshanks** » 16 Mar 2011 22:38

Trying to find any info about my great grandparents Charles O'Neill born 1858 Armagh and Annie Lewis 1860 Liverpool married abt 1881 had 5 children David,Edith,James, Charles and my grandfather Robert. they lived around wavertree- he died in 1926 and she died in 1916 both in durning Road

Post by **Tina** » 17 Mar 2011 07:56

Hi there, welcome to the forum

Here they are in 1901 census
48 Uxbridge St Edge Hill
as Oneill

Charles O'Neill bn Armagh 43 drain sewerage foreman
Annie 41, David 19 genl labr, James 14 brickie's app
Edith 10, Charles 8, Robert 4.
RG13/3493/165/23

1891 again as Oneill
105 Edgeware St W Dby
Charles genl labr 34, Annie 30, David 9, James 4, Edith 11 mnths.
RG12/2994/90/32

Aplogies for not putting reference for census.
Annie as Amie 1891 error sent to Ancestry

Haven't dropped on a marriage yet.

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 17 Mar 2011 09:11

Hi Crew

I was going to have a look in the census 10yrs after 1901 but dreaded looking for O'Neill etc etc.
Just put in David bn 1882 no surname & trawled through.
He's there as O space Neill..no one else listed through the freebie look up.
West Derby district bn Lpool.

Tina
I've found 2 x Charles & one Edith as O space Neill also Robert 14..

Post by **Tina** » 17 Mar 2011 09:42

1910/1912
11 Durning Rd Edge Hill
Charles O Neill 53 Sewerage Inspector Lpool Corporation born
quote...Tyrian Armeghey Ireland Resident
wife Anne 51 married 30 yrs
James 24 single working bricklayer
Edith 20 domestic housework
Charles 18 app bricklayer
Robert 14 messenger in office
all born LIVEPROOL

Have sent errors into fmp

Tina

Post by **dickiesam** » 17 Mar 2011 15:41

Hi folks,
Found 10 birth/baptism records [1850 to 1860] for Charles here: http://www.rootsireland.ie/

Church Baptism O'Neill Charles 1855 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neil Charles 1856 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neill Charles 1856 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neill Charles 1856 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neill Charles 1856 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neil Charles 1857 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neill Charles 1853 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neile Charles 1858 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neill Charles 1859 Co. Armagh
Church Baptism O'Neill Charles 1859 Co. Armagh

The site is free to search but charges 5 Euro [about £4.25] to see a record's content.

Like Tina I can't find an England/Wales marriage 1875 to 1916. I think they either married in Ireland [possible but doubtful] or one party was already married but separated. Divorce was virtually impossible and they were RC anyway so it would be a 'no-go' area. I reckon they put down 30 years married in 1910-12ish to 'protect' the children from nosy officialdom!

Problem is that without his father's name it is going to be very difficult to check the Armagh records. It is possible he followed the 'Irish naming tradition' and named his first-born son after his father.

DS

Post by **Tina** » 18 Mar 2011 10:05

Hi Dickiesam
Wow the prices for a look up and if you get the wrong one

Thanks for the info me dear.

Tina

Post by **dickiesam** » 18 Mar 2011 10:12

Tina wrote:Hi Dickiesam
Wow the prices for a look up and if you get the wrong one
Thanks for the info me dear.

Tina

Hi Tina,
I think they are suffering from the delusion that affluent Americans with deep pockets are still looking for their elusive ancestors! Unfortunately it was the many US seekers-for-roots that initially enabled the Heritage Centres to charge such high prices for services in the first place.

DS

Post by **MaryA** » 18 Mar 2011 10:21

dickiesam wrote:Unfortunately it was the many US seekers-for-roots that initially enabled the Heritage Centres to charge such high prices for services in the first place.

Don't I know that, when I enquired with Yola in Wexford it would have cost me 15 Euros (about time they started putting a Euro sign on keyboards!) just to get an estimate of how much a look up would cost!

Post by **Tina** » 20 Mar 2011 08:08

1938 Gores/Kellys Directory

11 Durning Rd
James O'Neill
Corporation Employee

Tina

Post by **adelongshanks** » 13 Jun 2011 19:57

Went to Yew Tree cemetary today found out that my great grandmother wasnt born Annie she was born Honor in Feb 1861. She had several siblings Mary Anne, Elinnor, John, Isabelle, robert and Elizabeth and from records her father was John Lewis and her mother Charlotte Calloway.

Post by **dickiesam** » 13 Jun 2011 23:09

Hi,
Looked for Honor Lewis in the 1861 census if she was born in Feb. Didn't find her or an Annie with parents John and Charlotte. So checked births and found only one Honor Lewis born 1860 to 1862 in Lancashire:
Births Jun 1861> LEWIS, Honor - Liverpool - 8b - 229.

Puzzled by the Feb date I then checked for a marriage..
Marriages Jun 1853 - Liverpool - 8b - 250 - Calloway, Charlotte and Lewis, John.

From that I found the family in 1861 but Honor's name appears to be Hannah, a name more easily familiarised to Annie..
1861:
LEWIS, John - Head - 29 - Cotton Porter - Liverpool.
LEWIS, Charlotte - Wife - 27 - Manchester.
LEWIS, Mary Ann - Dtr - 11 - Scholar - Liverpool.
LEWIS, Hellen - Dtr - 7 - Scholar - Liverpool.
LEWIS, Hannah - Dtr - 0 (5 Weeks) - Liverpool.
Address: 2 Skelhorn Court, Skelhorn Street, Liverpool.
RG number: RG09 / Piece:2690 / Folio:41 / Page:34.

Dickiesam

Post by **Tina** » 14 Jun 2011 10:26

Hi Dickiesam

Great find in 1861, well done mate.
1881 they are in 30 Godfrey St Everton
Charlotte is there born Manchester 49 charwoman
John 48 labr bn Lpool
Isabella M 11, Robert 9, Betsy 5.
Names mentioned by our poster

Tina

Just for the record Charlotte 60 yrs is widowed in 1891 census
17 Godfrey St, charwoman bn Manc
Robert is 20 newspaper seller, Isabella 22 dom serv
Betsy 15 transcribed as Belsy..will send error to Anc@@

Post by **Tina** » 14 Jun 2011 10:47

1871 Godfrey St
John is 39, Charlotte 40, Elinor 15, Hannah 11 then big gap to Isabella aged 1 year.

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 14 Jun 2011 11:00

Marriage Charlotte Calloway at St Nicks 1853 to John Lewis.
from Lancs BMD

Tina

Post by **dickiesam** » 14 Jun 2011 12:28

Hi Tina,
Still a bit of a mystery about Hannah/Honor though. She is listed in 1861 as being 5 weeks old but the only 'H??' birth that would fit is this one... Births March qtr 1861: LEWIS, Harriet Annie - W Derby - 8b - 315.

My thought now is she may have been registered late and the Honor birth registration Jun 1861 - LEWIS, Honor - Liverpool - 8b - 229 is her after all. The mother had 6 weeks to register the birth and the census was was taken on the night of 7 April, so a 'legal' registration in the June qtr is possible.

Need to look on Anc for her birth or Baptism.

DS

Post by **MaryA** » 14 Jun 2011 13:30

St Nicholas Catholic Baptism
Born 21st February, Baptised 28 February, 1861
Honor Lewis child of
Joannis et Charlotte Lewis (nee Galway)
baptised by Joanne Wallwork
Godmother Maria OBrien

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