Liverpool boro Gaol

Post by **johning** » 19 Mar 2011 18:23

does anybody have any experience of looking up prisoners records for Liverpool Boro Gaol cica 1850s, e mailed records office but not very helpful, told me it would take more than 15 minutes to find out, therefore I would have to pay a researcher £20 per hour, just wondered what sought of information I could extract concerning an ancestor who was a repeat offender and spent different short sentences at the gaol eventually being deported, GRO in London where more than helpful with information regarding deportation, would now like to get details of his incacaration in Livepool, be grateful for someones previous knowledge of how to proceed ,Cheers

Post by **Hilary** » 19 Mar 2011 18:55

The record office will only do 15 minutes of research free. This happens in many record offices. After that you either pay them at the rate of £20 an hour or employ a researcher to do it for you or attend in person and do it yourself.

You can check on their online catalogue for what they hold. Then decide if it's worth paying for someone to have a look for your ancestor.

Have you tried newspapers? Lots of library service have access to 19th century newspaper collections online. These you can then search by name and may disccover more about your ancestor. You could also search on Ancestry in the criminal registers online.

I gather the person was transported. Again there are records on Ancestry about transportation.

I notice you talk about deportation - when was the person in Liverpool Gaol? The GRO is not in London so I'm not sure where you mean.

Post by **johning** » 19 Mar 2011 19:46

I dont know where the Gro came from, I meant the National Archives, sorry about that, I followed up the information that I have from the Archives and have documentation about various locations he was incarcerated, He was commited 13 january 1853 convicted 7th feb 1853, in Liverpool removed from Liverpool gaol 23 March, recieved in Wakefield 23 march , then he was taken to Portland Prison28th april 1854 in 1855 He was deported to Gibralter until june 1857, from there to a prison Hulk ," The Stirling Castle "in 1857 where he was discharged on licence back to Liverpool and freedom, as he was a repeat offender and spent a couple of stints at Liverpool Gaol I thought it would be interesting to try and obtain some info from there,I have managed to dig up some records about his brother and nephew , who also spent time in Liverpool gaol, so would like to gather info on all three, My Family seem to have been a bunch of rogues back then, which makes it all a bit more intriguing, thanks for the info anyway' I have tried all I can for online information and come to a stop,I left Liverpool a long time ago and live in south Wales , so a trip to the Library is quite Journey, will try in the summer perhaps, thanks again.

Post by **daggers** » 20 Mar 2011 07:36

You do not have to be in Liverpool to see the 19th century newspapers online. Many local authority libraries have this service. You should ask at your nearest, and apply for a ticket if you do not have one.
You can then use its code number to access the newspapers from a library or from home, and the Liverpool Mercury is the one local paper available. Your library should be able to help you, first time.
Don't get side-tracked into all the other interesting stuff you will see!
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Post by **Tina** » 20 Mar 2011 07:48

Hi Johning
I love your comment about the family being a bunch of rogues!!
It makes research so much more interesting.
Some of us are able to look up old newspapers.
I'll leave it with you if you would like to, or not, tell us their names.
Good luck

Tina

Post by **johning** » 20 Mar 2011 20:22

I dont mind at all, the person who was deported was my Namesake, John Inglesby,the brother of my 4th g Grandfather, the dates for him where as above, he was first sentenced to five months for stealing a coat, and then for Housebreaking for which he was deported,his Parents My 5th Great grand parents died of the typhus in 1847 leaving him an orphan at 14 so he probably had no choice but to survive,
His Brother Michael was incarcarated in liverpool for Larceny by a servant the date 20 Feb 1854 Imprisonment
Michaels son Frederick Inglesby was a real scallywag by the looks of it, here goes
19th March 1875 imprisonment
15th April 1879 Aquittal
1881 census the jail of Castle Rushen in the Isle of Man, Prisoner
23 July 1884 Aquittal
19 May 1886 Imprisonment, see what I mean, this all happened in Liverpool how he ended up in the Isle of Man god only knows, but at that time in 1881 his wife and my great granfather at the age of four where in Brownlow hill Workhouse and she was stated as being a Widow so thats probably another story, isnt it all fun !!hahaha

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Mar 2011 21:43

Could this be him
Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Tuesday, January 11, 1853; Issue 2466.

HOUSEBREAKING - CAUTION - James Fitten (a returned convict), John Hunter, John Inglesby, and Mary Berry were charged with having broken open the house of Mary Powell in Earle Street and stolen a quantity of wearing apparel. The house was entered during the absence of the inmates on Wednesday evening, between the hours of six and seven o'clock. A great part of the stolen property was found pledged at Mr Rowland's pawnshop, Scotland Road. From the description given of the parties who pledged it, the prisoners were apprehended on Saturday morning by Detective Grace and another officer. Inglesby was wearing part of the property when apprehended. Fitten and Berry were recognised as having pledged the property, and Hunter, having been seen in company with the other prisoners on the night of the robbery, was apprehended on suspicion of being an accomplice. They were remanded until Thursday, in order that further inquiries might be made.

and
Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Friday, January 14, 1853; Issue 2467.

James Fitton, John Hunter, John Inglesby and Mary Berry, remanded from last week on a charge of entering the house of Jane Powell, in Earl Street and stealing a watch and other articles, were brought up again today and sent for trial.

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Mar 2011 21:53

It's not a common name, did any of them have a child named Michael?

CORONER'S INQUESTS .
Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Saturday, November 4, 1876; Issue 8987.
Before Mr C Aspinall, Borough Coroner
On the body of Michael Inglesby, two years and eight months old, whose mother resides at 16 Milton Street. The child was scalded a fortnight ago by the upsetting of a teapot and death resulted on Tuesday. Verdict "Accidentally Scalded".

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Mar 2011 21:56

LIVERPOOL ASSIZES .
Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Friday, May 21, 1886; Issue 11970.
SENTENCES
Frederick Inglesby aged 31, labourer, stealing at Liverpool on the 6th March, nine pounds weight of cotton, the property of Arthur Wrigley and others, 18 months imprisonment.

Post by **johning** » 20 Mar 2011 22:03

how Fantastic are you!! thats unbelievable yes they are all mine , thank you so much for that information, John

Post by **Tina** » 21 Mar 2011 07:22

Brilliant Mary, great finds. You did the hard yards, thank you.
Sad about the little one being scalded.

Hi John, don't wear the clothes you nick on your next robbery

Tina

Post by **johning** » 21 Mar 2011 08:25

I was really impressed with Mary, I will try the library today concerning the British Library newspaper lookup , I never knew that existed I had a quick look on their site last night,
and I wont be stealing any coats, or cotton!!
cant believe how dumb they where, you would have thought they would have hung fire until the heat died down, and actually wearing the stuff, they must have been Liverpools dumbest Criminals.
yes a shame about Michael, I have a coroners report for My g Grandmother, and on the list of reports for that period which was abt 1900 a lot of the child deaths was due to scalding or burning, so things carried on as before by the looks of it,thank you all for your help.

Post by **MaryA** » 21 Mar 2011 10:27

I reckon they were in cahoots with Colette's granny - she specialised in doormats

Post by **Tina** » 22 Mar 2011 08:22

Mary!!

At least Colette's grannie had the sense to sell her doormats in Birkenhead Markets...

Tina

Post by **johning** » 25 Mar 2011 15:02

Maybe they were in cahoots, I found prison records for him and thats just what he was doing before they deported him, Making mats in wakefield prison, wonder if they had welcome written on them,

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