Thurston and Margaret Cobham

[Doug Cobham]

I have been looking for the disappearanc of my g.g. grandfarther Thurston Cobham second wife Margaret Cobham(Boddy} she gave birth to a son Thurston Cobham jr in jun 1859 in Ormskirk work house ,her husband remarried in dec 1860 as a widow. unable to fine her in any census or G.R.O .HAS any one got any Ideas where she may have gon
thy where living in Southport at this time

[MaryA]

Hi and wel come to the forum.

It sounds very much as if she may have died in childbirth since her husband married so soon afterwards.

Please can you give us some dates and details.

Do you have the 1861 census with Thurston father and son on? please provide details and references.

Do you have either the birth certificate for Thurston junior - is (Boddy) Margaret's maiden name?

Have you found details of Thurston's marriage to Margaret? If you have that certificate, give full details including parents names, witnesses etc.

The details from his marriage to Mary McDonald/Shipley in 1860 St Peters, LIVERPOOL, might also be useful, especially if he gives his status as widower.

If Margaret was his second wife and Mary was his third, who was his first? names and details, and her death date would be of assistance.

We'll try to help if we can.

[MaryA]

For anybody else trying to assist

1861 27 West Street, North Meols
RG9; Piece: 2762; Folio: 80; Page: 48
Thurston Cobham Head M 40 Basket Maker Lancashire Mawdesley
Mary Wife M 32 Cumberland Penrith
Jane daur 10 Scholar Lancashire Southport
Christopher son 5 " "

1851 Sugar Brow, Churchtown, North Meols
HO107; Piece: 2196; Folio: 559; Page: 36
Thurston Cubbon Head M 30 Basket Maker Lancashire Mawdesley
Margaret Wife M 32 Yorkshire Bottley
William Son 3 at home Lancashire North Meols
Jane daur 5 months " "
William Father Mar 67 Basket maker " Mawdesley
Ann Mother Mar 57 " " Leyland
Margaret Sister Unm 20 " " Mawdesley
Robert Brother 14 " " "
Ann Cousin 7 months Infant with the grandmother " "
Thomas Hulmne Lodger Unm 20 Blacksmith " "

Is this the Margaret you are referring to?

[MaryA]

Surely this is her death?
Margaret Cobham Q3 1860 Ormskirk 8b 320

[MaryA]

.HAS any one got any Ideas where she may have gon

I've assumed that you wondered what had happened to her, but the death was easy to find. Maybe you really mean you wonder where she came from - The 1851 census was transcribed as Thorsten Cubbon, and has been amended to Thurston Cobham on Ancestry, so it would appear that somebody is already researching this family, perhaps you could contact them and join research.

It would seem from this census that Margaret was born in Yorkshire, but you really should get their marriage certificate in order to find out her father's name and occupation which will hopefully help you get further back

Margaret Boddy married Thorston Cubbon Q4 1849 Ormskirk 21 505.

The marriage took place in Southport, Holy Trinity.

As this spelling of Thurston's name is the same on two occasions, he may have been known by this in his earlier life, be sure to check for both spellings when you come to research his birth etc.

[MaryA]

I hope the marriage certificate gives you the information you need.

There is a birth on the IGI for Margaret Boddy 15 July 1822 Felixkirk, Yorkshire, parents Christopher and Jane.

On looking at a map for Felixkirk I see nearby a place called BOLTBY. On looking again at the 1851 census, what I assumed was Bottley, could well be this village.

There is a Margaret Boddy 15, in the household of Elizabeth Meek 60 (transcribed Mak), and Jane 30, at Market Place North, Thirsk. HO107; Piece 1238; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Thirsk; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 50; Page: 13

Remember that ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 in the 1841 census and Thirsk is quite close to both Boltby and Felixkirk. This entry would seem worth bearing in mind.

There is also a family of Christopher Boddy 56, Schoolmaster, Jane 48, John 24 Labourer, Christopher 15, Jane 10 and Mary 8 - no Margaret in the household so maybe she was old enough to be in service. HO107; Piece 1234; Book: 6; Civil Parish: North Otterington; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 9; Page: 12

The children in this family - Christopher, Ann, John, Jane and Mary, together with Margaret can all be found on the IGI having been christened in Felixkirk. All with parents Christopher and Jane.

[Hilary]

This is Thurston Cobham senior's baptism and Thurston Junior's burial. Both found onwww.lan-opc.org.uk

Baptisms: 26 Dec 1819 St Michael and All Angels, Croston, Lancashire, England
Thurston Cobham - Son of William Cobham & Ann
Born: 4 Nov 1819
Abode: Mawdesley
Occupation: Basketmaker


Burial: 15 Jan 1860 St Peter, Mawdesley with Bispham, Lancashire, England
Thurston Cobham -
Age: Infant
Abode: Bispham

also this
Burial: 19 Aug 1860 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Margaret Cobham -
Age: 4 years
Abode: Southport

This is the death registration MaryA found I believe.

Burial: 26 Nov 1866 St Peter, Mawdesley with Bispham, Lancashire, England
Margaret Anne Cobham -
Age: Infant
Abode: Southport

But no burial for Margaret mother of Thurston.

Ed Officer

[MaryA]

Hmmm yes it probably is the burial I found, so no Margaret .....

I would suggest that Doug check the Workhouse Records, there must be something in them about her if she had the child in there.

[Hilary]

Unfortunately there are very few records available for the Ormskirk Workhouse.

From www.workhouses.org.uk website
•Lancashire Record Office, Bow Lane, Preston, Lancashire, PR1 2RE. Holdings include: Guardians' minutes (1837-1930); Workhouse births and deaths register (1828-48).

I wonder if her death is recorded with a mispelling, or she returned to her parents and died there.

Ed Officer

[MaryA]

The most likely one is

Margaret Cubben Q1 1860 Liverpool 8b 124

Unfortunately at that date no ages are given to give any clues.

Maybe Doug could have a look through some of the online burial sites that we have collected http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=5739 to see if he can identify Margaret.

I wonder if there are any online for the Southport/Ormskirk area also?

[Tina]

Hi Mary & E.O
Just to say I've enjoyed reading this post & how you've gradually found so much information, thank you

I don't know if this is of help, there's a marriage in Ormskirk 1843 Thurston CUBBIN to Alice Halsall (prominent name in the area)
Also a death in sep qtr 1849 Ormskirk rego Alice CUBBOM

Warmies
Tina

Forgot to add Thurston in 1841 agr labr in Croston Area, as COBHAM.

[Tina]

Some more info which may be of use to Doug.
1871 they have moved to Bingley in Yorks.
Mary Ann 6, her birth rego is Keighley.
2 other children bn Southport.
Little Margaret 2yrs.
They've must have moved around 1863/4 ish.
Sadly there's a birth & death in Keighley 1872 0 yrs for a Thurston Cobham.
RG10/4310/90/7
Thurston may have died in 1875 aged 56 (1819)

Cheers
Tina

[Hilary]

This is probably Alice nee Halsall (second wife)

Burial: 17 Sep 1849 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Alice Cubbim -
Age: 28 years

There is no other possibly burial for Margaret at St Cuthbert which would have been the most likely burial place at the time. neither is there a probable at Mawdesley were the son Thurston is buried.

These could be more children to the family
Burial: 26 Apr 1847 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Ann Cobbin -
Age: Infant
Abode: Marsh-side

Burial: 4 Dec 1847 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
William Cobbin -
Age: 2 yrs
Abode: Marsh-side

I bet this is another
Burial: 7 Oct 1864 St Cuthbert, North Meols, Lancashire, England
Ann Cotham -
Age: 3 2/12 years
Abode: Bingley Yorkshire

Ed Officer

Should have said the death in Liverpool looks a possibility.

[Doug Cobham]

Thank you all for trying so hard to fined the death of Margaret Cobham ( Boddy) the wife of Thurston Cobham betwen 1859 and 1860.The Margaret Cobham that was found was the daughta of Thurston & Margaret. she deid from burns in Shouthport 1860. Thurstons fierst wife was Alice Hallsal d 1849 second wife Margaret Boddy thurd wife Mary Shiply. thanks once moor for your help her death will have to stay a misterey

[bgriffiths]

Just a footnote to this thread

It was me who put the alternative spelling on Ancestry - difficult enough when Ancestry mistranscribes, but when they did not know how their own names were spelled........

Douglas did find me on Genesreunited, but as it is Thurston's first wife Alice Halsall who is my relative I have been unable to help with the later wives

Another Cobham descendant also surfaced on GR, and over on the NMFHS it turned into a bit of a family reunion

Brian

[MaryA]

I'm glad you made contact, even distant relatives can sometimes help if they put their heads together.

[graleystives]

There are still Cobhams in Mawdesley. Maybe they could help??