A first war pilot in the Royal Flying Corps - Gilbert Mapplebeck - is in the 1911 census at Wavertree Nook aged 18 with his mother and a much younger brother. Mother is not marked as 'widow' but is a manager, limited company.
An article in an aviation magazine refers to Gilbert and a different brother, also an aviator, as great grandsons of a Liverpool lawyer and parliamentarian named Edward Cardwell, later a Viscount who among other things sorted out the merchant shipping law and the army of his day [a very brief summary!]. The article states that Mapplebeck senior was a dental surgeon.
Elsewhere I read that Cardwell died without an heir and the title came to a halt.
Puzzle: how could he have gt-grandchildren?
If anyone has time to hunt about for a solution, I would be grateful...
Daggers
[who like Cardwell was born in Rodney Street!]
A puzzle - open to all! A great-grandfather, but no heir.
Dead Viscounts!
Hi Daggers,
Is it possible that Edward Cardwell was actually a life peer not an heredity one? Must be a way to find out if he was awarded a peerage? The Times of the time perhaps?
Dickiesam
Is it possible that Edward Cardwell was actually a life peer not an heredity one? Must be a way to find out if he was awarded a peerage? The Times of the time perhaps?
Dickiesam
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Daggers.
Here is what it says on:
http://wapedia.mob
Edward Cardwell, 1st Viscount Cardwell PC, PC (Ire), FRS (24 July 1813 - 15 February 1886) was a prominent British politician in the Peelite and Liberal parties during the middle of the 19th century. He is best remembered for his tenure as Secretary of State for War between 1868 and 1874 and the introduction of the Cardwell Reforms.
Background and education
Cardwell was the son of John Cardwell, Liverpool, a merchant, and Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Birley. He was educated at Winchester and Balliol College, Oxford, from where he took a degree in 1835. His early career was as a lawyer-he was called to the bar, Inner Temple, in 1838
Reading this I thought it may be of Help to You (If You don't all ready have it!).
Also, I found the Marriage of John CARDWELL & Elizabeth BIRLEY on:
http://www.familysearch.org
They were Married on 15 November 1808 in Blackburn, Lancashire
John was Born on 31 July 1781 in Liverpool and Died on 15 May 1831
I think I have found Elizabeth BIRLEYs chirstening:
25 September 1780 in Blackburn
Parents: Richard BIRLEY & Alice HORNBY
Here is what it says on:
http://wapedia.mob
Edward Cardwell, 1st Viscount Cardwell PC, PC (Ire), FRS (24 July 1813 - 15 February 1886) was a prominent British politician in the Peelite and Liberal parties during the middle of the 19th century. He is best remembered for his tenure as Secretary of State for War between 1868 and 1874 and the introduction of the Cardwell Reforms.
Background and education
Cardwell was the son of John Cardwell, Liverpool, a merchant, and Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Birley. He was educated at Winchester and Balliol College, Oxford, from where he took a degree in 1835. His early career was as a lawyer-he was called to the bar, Inner Temple, in 1838
Reading this I thought it may be of Help to You (If You don't all ready have it!).
Also, I found the Marriage of John CARDWELL & Elizabeth BIRLEY on:
http://www.familysearch.org
They were Married on 15 November 1808 in Blackburn, Lancashire
John was Born on 31 July 1781 in Liverpool and Died on 15 May 1831
I think I have found Elizabeth BIRLEYs chirstening:
25 September 1780 in Blackburn
Parents: Richard BIRLEY & Alice HORNBY
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Children of Richard BIRLEY & Alice HORNBY of Blackburn
Margaret
Born: 30th September 1773 in Blackburn
Died: 1776
John
Born: 30th August 1775 in Blackburn
Married: 4th February 1800
Died: 25th December 1833 in Manchester
Spouse: Margaret BACKHOUSE
Hugh Hornby
Born: 10th March 1778 in Blackburn ]
Married: 5th March 1822
Died: 31st July 1845
Married: 5th March1822
Spouse: Cicely HORNBY
Elizabeth
Born: 25th September 1780 in Blackburn
Joseph
Born: 31st May 1782 in Blackburn, (also listed as Born same date 'Ford Bank, Didsbury, Lancashire'), this was not an uncommon practice in the Upper classes/Land owners.
Christened: 3rd July 1782 Blackburn
Died: 24th January 1847 in Didsbury, Lancashire
Spouse: Jane HORNBY
Margaret
Born: 17th April 1784 at Ford Bank, Didsbury.
Died: 23rd Janurary 1844
Jane
Born: 22nd May 1787 at Ford Bank, Didsbury
Died: 2nd April 1823
Mary
Born: 20th June 1789 at Ford Bank, Didsbury
Died: 23rd March 1862
Margaret
Born: 30th September 1773 in Blackburn
Died: 1776
John
Born: 30th August 1775 in Blackburn
Married: 4th February 1800
Died: 25th December 1833 in Manchester
Spouse: Margaret BACKHOUSE
Hugh Hornby
Born: 10th March 1778 in Blackburn ]
Married: 5th March 1822
Died: 31st July 1845
Married: 5th March1822
Spouse: Cicely HORNBY
Elizabeth
Born: 25th September 1780 in Blackburn
Joseph
Born: 31st May 1782 in Blackburn, (also listed as Born same date 'Ford Bank, Didsbury, Lancashire'), this was not an uncommon practice in the Upper classes/Land owners.
Christened: 3rd July 1782 Blackburn
Died: 24th January 1847 in Didsbury, Lancashire
Spouse: Jane HORNBY
Margaret
Born: 17th April 1784 at Ford Bank, Didsbury.
Died: 23rd Janurary 1844
Jane
Born: 22nd May 1787 at Ford Bank, Didsbury
Died: 2nd April 1823
Mary
Born: 20th June 1789 at Ford Bank, Didsbury
Died: 23rd March 1862
Searching for:
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
Bennett, Brown, Brunn, Collins, Critchley, Dickinson, Dodd, Duffy, Eaton, Edwards, Hertzberger, Highton, Holland, Humphreys, Melling, Morgan, Murphy, Walker, Webster, Wright, Owens, Prudon & Speed.
A puzzle - open to all! A great-grandfather, but no heir.
Hi Daggers,
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Cardwell.....
Viscount Cardwell, of Ellerbeck was title in the Peerage of the United Kingdom that was created in 1874 for the prominent politician Edward Cardwell. It became extinct upon his death without issue in 1886.
If there wasn't more than one Viscount Cardwell, the aviation article must be suspect or someone has fibbed big-time!
Found Gilbert William at school in Staffs in 1901 aged 8. What was his mother's name? Would like to find her and spouse and track back. Lots of Mapplebecks in Yorkshire.
Dickiesam
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Cardwell.....
Viscount Cardwell, of Ellerbeck was title in the Peerage of the United Kingdom that was created in 1874 for the prominent politician Edward Cardwell. It became extinct upon his death without issue in 1886.
If there wasn't more than one Viscount Cardwell, the aviation article must be suspect or someone has fibbed big-time!
Found Gilbert William at school in Staffs in 1901 aged 8. What was his mother's name? Would like to find her and spouse and track back. Lots of Mapplebecks in Yorkshire.
Dickiesam
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Good Morning, Dickiesam - a wet one here, so the grass will not get its first cut of the year.
Gilbert Mapplebeck's mother was Sara Helen, 38 in 1911, born Liverpool.
Like you, I suspect the aviation article and will be checking back to trace the author/publisher. It is always a pity to spoil a good heroic story!
There is a Cardwell Arms pub in Lancs, named after the politician, by the way, but that is not part of this quest.
D
LATER ADDITION
The Lpool Mercury reveals that Gilbert's father was W. Mapplebeck, a dentist at 34 Rodney Street, who married Helen (Nellie) Quinn at St Mary's (RC) Church, Woolton on 16 Jan 1892. They were later associated with fund-raising events for St Bridget's, a new Catholic church. Helen was 'daughter of Mrs Quinn, of The Nook, Gateacre.' FreeBMD has Helen as 'Sarah Ellen'.
Gilbert Mapplebeck's mother was Sara Helen, 38 in 1911, born Liverpool.
Like you, I suspect the aviation article and will be checking back to trace the author/publisher. It is always a pity to spoil a good heroic story!
There is a Cardwell Arms pub in Lancs, named after the politician, by the way, but that is not part of this quest.
D
LATER ADDITION
The Lpool Mercury reveals that Gilbert's father was W. Mapplebeck, a dentist at 34 Rodney Street, who married Helen (Nellie) Quinn at St Mary's (RC) Church, Woolton on 16 Jan 1892. They were later associated with fund-raising events for St Bridget's, a new Catholic church. Helen was 'daughter of Mrs Quinn, of The Nook, Gateacre.' FreeBMD has Helen as 'Sarah Ellen'.
M. no. 31
1894 Kellys/Gores
Mapplebeck William dental surgeon LDSI 34 Rodney St
1911 ditto
Willie Mapplebeck dental surgeon LDS 50 Rodney St
1938 ditto
Wm LDSRCS Ire Dental Surgeon
166 Sea View Road Liscard
Percy Mapplebeck
Church Lane Eastham
Gilbert William bn 1892 26th Aug Lpool rego.
Tina
Mapplebeck William dental surgeon LDSI 34 Rodney St
1911 ditto
Willie Mapplebeck dental surgeon LDS 50 Rodney St
1938 ditto
Wm LDSRCS Ire Dental Surgeon
166 Sea View Road Liscard
Percy Mapplebeck
Church Lane Eastham
Gilbert William bn 1892 26th Aug Lpool rego.
Tina
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Poss marriage Prescot rego
Wm to Sarah Ellen Quinn 1891 Lancs BMD
1st qtr 1892 Free BMD
Which you already have from St Mary's.
Tina
Wm to Sarah Ellen Quinn 1891 Lancs BMD
1st qtr 1892 Free BMD
Which you already have from St Mary's.
Tina
- Tina
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1911 he's listed as Gilbert William Roger 18
his younger bro Godfrey John aged 3 yrs.
That's a huge age gap?
No hubby you have to wonder hey?
T.S
his younger bro Godfrey John aged 3 yrs.
That's a huge age gap?
No hubby you have to wonder hey?
T.S
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There was a brother Tom, regd b. 1894, who also joined the King's Regiment then became a flier.
Tha aviation article mentions a shortage of money for flying lessons, but can we track father, the dentist Wm in 1911?
I am also on the trail of the author of the aviation article, which appeared in a magazine called Cross & Cockade in 2002.
I'll keep trying!
D
Tha aviation article mentions a shortage of money for flying lessons, but can we track father, the dentist Wm in 1911?
I am also on the trail of the author of the aviation article, which appeared in a magazine called Cross & Cockade in 2002.
I'll keep trying!
D
M. no. 31
William Mapplebeck
William Mapplebeck:
Found him in 1901 with wife Sarah enumerated as Muppleluck! Must have been the Yorkshire accent? Had a look at the page and it definitely looks like that spelling. He's a dentist, bn Doncaster abt 1860 and he/she are visitors. RG13 - Piece 3387 - Folio 86 - Page 29.
Haven't found him in 1891 yet but, subject to his marriage cert details, I think this is him in 1881.. son of Nathaniel and Ann. Father is an Gen labourer. RG11 - Piece 4693 - Folio 37 - Page 3.
Followed Nathaniel easily back to 1851 and 1841. No sign of a Cardwell connection.
Dickiesam
Found him in 1901 with wife Sarah enumerated as Muppleluck! Must have been the Yorkshire accent? Had a look at the page and it definitely looks like that spelling. He's a dentist, bn Doncaster abt 1860 and he/she are visitors. RG13 - Piece 3387 - Folio 86 - Page 29.
Haven't found him in 1891 yet but, subject to his marriage cert details, I think this is him in 1881.. son of Nathaniel and Ann. Father is an Gen labourer. RG11 - Piece 4693 - Folio 37 - Page 3.
Followed Nathaniel easily back to 1851 and 1841. No sign of a Cardwell connection.
Dickiesam
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Tina
QUOTE: "No hubby you have to wonder hey? "
Two London Gazette entries in 1910 show Mrs M and her mother as partners in a wholesale butchers at St John's Market, in receivership. Mrs M is described as 'married woman trading separately and a living apart from her husband'.
No wonder the flying lessons could not be afforded!
D
QUOTE: "No hubby you have to wonder hey? "
Two London Gazette entries in 1910 show Mrs M and her mother as partners in a wholesale butchers at St John's Market, in receivership. Mrs M is described as 'married woman trading separately and a living apart from her husband'.
No wonder the flying lessons could not be afforded!
D
M. no. 31
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Gray
Hi All,
http://thepeerage.com/p13950.htm (scroll down) it gives information on godfrey Mapplebeck.
If you go in Surnames, there is information on Edward Cardwell saying that after his death his titles became extinct.
I think this chap below is worth considering as the father of William Mapplebeck 1860.
1861
William Mapplebeck 1822 Sandall Yorkshire (Sandall is a dist of Doncaster)
occ: Publican (deputy manager)
address: Public house Copleys Arms Sprotborough (another dist of Doncaster)
Jane 1831 born America
Emma Jane 1855 U.S.A
George Henry 1855 Birmingham
Albert 1856 Doncaster Yorks
William 1860 Doncaster Yorks
RG9 Piece 3516 Folio 8 pg. 9
1871:
address: 12 Market Place Doncaster
William 1822 Sandall Yorks Licensed Victualler
Jane 1831 USA
Emma J 1853 USA
Albert 1857 Doncaster
Willie 1861 Doncaster
Gertrude 1871 Doncaster
Living next door to The Red Lion Inn (Another Manager there) I pass this place most days, beautiful old building.
RG10 Piece 4718 Folio 1089 Pg.22
1881:
William 1860 is in Chatham Kent (boarder) aged 20 occ: dentist
Address: High Str; 1 Hammond Place Chatham Kent
RG11 Piece 887 Folio 111 Pg. 2
Gray
Edit: Just found him 1891
W. Mapplebeck
address: 75 Rodney street occ: surgeon dentist single born Doncaster Yorks.
2 domestics
RG12 Piece 2915 Folio 135 9g 36
http://thepeerage.com/p13950.htm (scroll down) it gives information on godfrey Mapplebeck.
If you go in Surnames, there is information on Edward Cardwell saying that after his death his titles became extinct.
I think this chap below is worth considering as the father of William Mapplebeck 1860.
1861
William Mapplebeck 1822 Sandall Yorkshire (Sandall is a dist of Doncaster)
occ: Publican (deputy manager)
address: Public house Copleys Arms Sprotborough (another dist of Doncaster)
Jane 1831 born America
Emma Jane 1855 U.S.A
George Henry 1855 Birmingham
Albert 1856 Doncaster Yorks
William 1860 Doncaster Yorks
RG9 Piece 3516 Folio 8 pg. 9
1871:
address: 12 Market Place Doncaster
William 1822 Sandall Yorks Licensed Victualler
Jane 1831 USA
Emma J 1853 USA
Albert 1857 Doncaster
Willie 1861 Doncaster
Gertrude 1871 Doncaster
Living next door to The Red Lion Inn (Another Manager there) I pass this place most days, beautiful old building.
RG10 Piece 4718 Folio 1089 Pg.22
1881:
William 1860 is in Chatham Kent (boarder) aged 20 occ: dentist
Address: High Str; 1 Hammond Place Chatham Kent
RG11 Piece 887 Folio 111 Pg. 2
Gray
Edit: Just found him 1891
W. Mapplebeck
address: 75 Rodney street occ: surgeon dentist single born Doncaster Yorks.
2 domestics
RG12 Piece 2915 Folio 135 9g 36
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Gray
C 1910-1912
address: Dale Brow Barnston Woodchurch cheshire
William Mapplebeck aged 50 born Doncaster occ: surgeon dentist (listed as married no wife with him).
Kate Augusta Clay 40 sister/widow occ: House keeper born Doncaster.
Jack Clay son aged 9 born Doncaster
Williams wife 1911 Sarah Helen
address: Olive Vale Wavertree Nook Wavertree.
Sarah Helen Mapplebeck aged 38 born L.pool occ: manager Ltd Co.
Gilbert William 18 2nd Lt.
Godfrey John aged 3 L.pool
Gray
address: Dale Brow Barnston Woodchurch cheshire
William Mapplebeck aged 50 born Doncaster occ: surgeon dentist (listed as married no wife with him).
Kate Augusta Clay 40 sister/widow occ: House keeper born Doncaster.
Jack Clay son aged 9 born Doncaster
Williams wife 1911 Sarah Helen
address: Olive Vale Wavertree Nook Wavertree.
Sarah Helen Mapplebeck aged 38 born L.pool occ: manager Ltd Co.
Gilbert William 18 2nd Lt.
Godfrey John aged 3 L.pool
Gray
D.S what a find Muppleluck
Tina
Tina
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