Arthur Connell

[Margaret S.]

Wonder if any member can help me to discover if the above died in an accident whilst working in the dockyard at Cammell Lairds. I'm not sure what year this was but I know he lived at 152 Athol St. Liverpool in 1901 but isn't on the 1911 census for Liverpool.

Margaret S.
Spain

[MaryA]

At the dates you are looking for a death, ages are given on the indexes which might help pin down the entry, however if you have the correct spelling of his name then there is no entry in Liverpool for his death until 1928, where an Arthur A Connell was aged 30.

You would need either the death certificate or perhaps an entry from a newspaper, but without the death date that would be almost impossible to find.

As you say you have the details from the 1901 census please provide them, including the references and we'll try to help from there.

[jan44]

Hi Mary,

The ref for the 1901 is RG13 3408 folio 90 page 12.

Arthur Connell age 17 born Nelson ?? Lancashire, he is with his mother Mary.

Jan

[jan44]

There is an Arthur Connell on the 1911 census age 27 it is under West Derby and not Liverpool

I don't have any credits to view the details.

Jan

[Tina]

Hi Jan
I think it says Nelson nr Burnley.
1911 I put him in as born Nelson & he comes up as you said 27 in W Dby.
There's also a Mary listed aged 52.
Looks like he was still alive in 1911.
Not sure if it's him, marriage Lancs BMD 1912 St Ambrose
Beatrice Jackson

Had a look in Ches BMD in case he died in Birkenhead, no luck.

There's a death in Lpl Nth 1957 aged 73yrs bn 1884c

Dunno

Tina

(off topic, the day after Anc## recent shutdown, I received 17 emails thank you for contributing!!)

[MaryA]

I think if you have been told that he died in an accident you need to question that person rather carefully to pin them down as to when the event may have happened.

[Tina]

Good suggestion Mary.\
It looks like the man we have found in Athol St etc etc died in his old age.
We will have to wait for reply.
Tina

[jan44]

In the 1911 Census Arthur is a Wire Rope Maker.

I found this in the 1914 Directory for Liverpool

Arthur Connell Wire Rope Maker 44 Nesfield St.

Jan

[jan44]

I found these two marriages both at the same church.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1912
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CONNELL Arthur JACKSON Beatrice Everton, St. Ambrose Liverpool 2022WD/4/7

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1914
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CONNELL Arthur CARTER Eliza E Everton, St. Ambrose Liverpool 2022WD/4/77

Jan

[colette]

Hi

Cant see an Arthur whos a Wire Rope Mkr in 1938 one whos a Mariner 14 Priory St.

Mrs Eliza Ellen Connell Milk Dealer 46 St Domingo Rd Everton.

Looks like Beatrice Jackson & Arthur had

Amy b 1916
Arthur L b 1920
Vera b 1922
Doreen b 1924
Ronald b 1927

Eliza Ellen Carter & Arthur had

Mary b 1916
George V b 1918
Dorothy b 1919

so cant be the same man marrying twice there must have been another Arthur on the scene

xx

[jan44]

I looked up the marriages for Arthur Connell 1912 one not him.

1914 1st January St Ambrose

Arthur Connell age 30 Wire Strander 45 Netherfield Road South father Arthur Connell Lab

Eliza Ellen Carter age 29 47 Clarence Grove father George Carter Warehouseman

All signed.

witnesses: George Victor Gladwinfield
Catherine Carter.

Jan

[colette]

Hi Jan good going

So thats his wife the Milk Dealer in 1938 46 St Domingo Rd Everton..so if shes listed as head Arthur must have died before 1938.

With Mary,George & Dorothy as their children

1911 47 Clarence Grove Everton....

her father George is aged 80 born in Ballygoan Queens Co Ireland retired Warehouse man.
married to Sarah for 30 years 14 kids 9 living..

theres enough kids to trace forwards they must have descendants who know about uncle Arthur..


xx

[Tina]

Great information Jan & Col

The witness Gladwinfield, I've never come across this surname before.
He's 13 in 1901 a bread boy.
Here's the ref just in case it's needed later
RG13/3408/145/37

Tina