Thomas Greaves born 1813 Derbyshire

[colette]

Hi all needhelp finding a marriage i have run dry..

THOMAS GREAVES B 1813 DERBYSHIRE..

We had no idea what his wifes surname was..and through some digging i recon she was a Mary Ann Salthouse..b Lpool 1811

Children all born Lpool Bap St Peter, well the ones i found were..

Joseph b 1834
George b 1836
Mary b 1838
Hannah b 1841 Died
Thomas Salthouse b 1842
Elizabeth b 1843
Margaret Ann b 1846 Died
John Dale b 1851 my friends Great Grandad

I worked out Mary Ann's dad was a George Salthouse mother Mary Burns
Mary Ann had siblings, dad moved to Bailey St when wife died..

Elizabeth 1792
Ann 1793 born Gilbert St
John 1795
Thomas 1802
Richard Burns 1805 born Gilbert St
Margaret 1807
Then Mary Ann 1811

1841 Greaves Family Parr St Lpool by Gilbert St...

1851 has a Margaret Dale living with the Greaves family she is a widow i worked out a Margaret Salthouse married a John Dale in 1846 he died not long after..so Thomas and Mary Ann named their last child after him..
Margaret is Mary Ann's sister..

But i cannot find Thomas Greaves marriage to Mary Ann to reveal a father for Thomas, it would be great as we have nothing to go on and may give us a lead...all we know is he came from Derbyshire.

Marriage would be in Liverpool c 1830-1834

There is one birth on IGI for a Thomas father Joseph mother Ann but i cant de guessing...

Can anyone help

Colette

[Dominex]

Hi Colette,

I looked, but couldn't find, sorry

Sue

[Tina]

Hi Col
Me too, sorry.
He is listed as Not born county 1841, Lpool 1861 as Thos bn 1812.
Margt still widowed in 1861 a servant in Rodney St.
No help at all finding marriage.
I was hoping to find a "cluster" of Greaves in one spot in Derbyshire, no luck, they're scattered all over.
This IGI baptism could be worth keeping as he names his first son Joseph
1813 St Peter's Derby s/o Joseph & Anne.
There's also bro George bn 1814 (name of his 2nd son)
Hasn't one of the crew got marriages for St Peter's??
Good luck
Tina

[colette]

Hiya

And thanks for looking..St Peters is on familyhistoryonline web site but cant see their marriage.
Found Thomas Grreaves burial St James 1880 this is the right year..

Also and its a losing battle Thomas and Mary Ann cannot be found on the 1871 Thomas 1813 Derbyshire
Mary Ann 1811 Lpool
son John Dale b 1851 should be with them..

Found a Death notice in Newspapers for a Mary Annn Greaves 1867 wife of Joseph the eldest son address 15 Wilbraham St Everton this is were they were in 1861..by 1881 Mary Ann is with son John Dale Greaves and his wife at 87 Premier St.

So no sign on 1871


Colette

[CaroleW]

Hi Col

We had no idea what his wifes surname was..and through some digging i recon she was a Mary Ann Salthouse..b Lpool 1811

Have any of the childrens birth certs been obtained to confirm that Mary was nee Salthouse - just as a precaution

Births Jun 1842

Greaves Thomas Salthouse Liverpool 20 345

[colette]

Hi Carole no not as yet..

I have told the person i am helping to get one..as even though i am 99% sure she was Salthouse its still possible she wasnt..

Col

[MaryA]

Ellie G would like to resurrect this post and see if anybody is able to help.
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=9152
If you can, please answer here to keep one post going instead of two.

Perhaps the first confirmation would be to let us know the details from the birth certificate - as indicated by CaroleW above, please Ellie. The address in particular will help as it may give pointers to what church they may have been close to.

Secondly, have you used any resources available in Derbyshire? What is there available in the Record Office there ?

Also have you requested help of the Derbyshire Family History Society. If you were a member of their society as well as the Liverpool one, then you would be able to add the name Greaves to the list of Surname interests so that others might be aware of your research. Also with local knowledge they may be able to help in other ways.

As you have been searching for 8 years you must have a lot of resources that can be discounted, it might be a good idea to list which parish registers you have searched, not those online which may be subject to change as more transcriptions are uploaded, but if you have systematically gone through the originals then that will narrow down the list.

[Ellie G]

Thanks for the quick response. All that I have on Thomas is as set out in the earlier messages by Collette, I had little on him, it was Collette who found the Salthouse link which was a great boost. The birth cert I obtained confirmed that the father was Thomas Greaves, Warehouseman, where they lived and his spouse Mary Ann. I have searched online records in the BMDs under Genuki and the Ancestry Parish records, LDS and a cousin who lives outside Eckington has tried in the Sheffield area I have tried posting to various Derbyshire family records, because I have no idea where in Derbyshire he is from I can't move on. I have tried to trace him via his occupation as a Customs Officer, but didn't get anywhere with the Liverpool Customs House records. I am unable to do get to the National Archives in Kew personally and be on site, I'd love to go myself, but I am not able to do so. There are a lot of Greaves in the area my mum's family come from just outside Sheffield (Eckington), but no way to confirm that I have the right Thomas Greaves. I am just hoping at some point a marriage record will materialise and I will have his place of birth.
After all this time I think it may be a lost cause and I will have to accept that I will not find out where in Derbyshire my family come from. This is one last push, before I close the book on Old Thomas.

[northmeols]

this one on IGI you can request a film from the local lds family history center

IGI
THOMAS GREAVES Christening: 16 MAY 1811 Saint Alkmund, Derby, Derby, England
Mother: HANNAH GREAVES
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C055371 1810 - 1833 0498063 Film 6905392

[MaryA]

The birth cert I obtained confirmed that the father was Thomas Greaves, Warehouseman, where they lived and his spouse Mary Ann.

Please give us the details from the birth certificate, as requested. It should give Mary Ann's maiden name and also the address where they lived. Who registered the birth and if one of the parents was it from the same address?

I can't promise that we can help but to even try we need all details that you have.

[Hilary]

I think you may have to consider hiring a researcher to look at the Customs Officers records at the National Archives. You could specify how many hours you wish them to look for at a given price. That way you know exactly what you are spending.

My second thought would be as North Meols suggests to get your local LDS centre to get in the films of some possible parishes. You say someone has tried the ones round Eckington. What about trying the ones around Derby itself. Or again get someone to go and look for you.

Hilary
Ed Officer

[Ellie G]

Thanks Susan, for this info. I did find this a couple of years ago but was unable to verify that it was the right Thomas Greaves. He and Mary Ann did name a daughter Hannah (possibly after his mother), also Hannah was a popular name at the time, without his and Mary Ann's marriage record I cannot be certain if he is the correct Thomas.
many thanks for looking. Ellie

[Ellie G]

To education officer, sorry but I am not in a position to pay out the amount they charge for just even an hours searching, I have looked into this. I have to be realistic about it too. Sadly I have no one to go looking around other parts of Derbyshire. As I said in my earlier post, this is a final outing to find Thomas incase anything new comes to light, then I will lay it to rest.
Appreciate your suggestions, Ellie.

[Hilary]

Even if you find Thomas' marriage as it was before 1837 it will not give his parents' names as certificates before 1837 do not give the father's name.

Ed Officer

[Gray]

Hi All,

Have been playing around with Tina's find for a while now. I find it very interesting.. see what you think. I do not have Ancestry now so can only do 1881 census.

EllieG has said she has family living Eckington.



1881 census:Piece/folio 3441/14 pg.22


address: High Street Eckington Derby England

occupants:

Frederick Greaves Head aged 33 born Eckington Derby England
Mary Ann wife aged 32 born Retford Notts
Charles R Knott son aged 12 born Eckington Derby (step son)?
Joseph Greaves son aged 5 born Eckington Derby
Fredk Greaves son aged 3 born Eckington Derby
George Greaves son aged 1 born Eckington Derby
**George Greaves** G/father aged 68 born Spinkhill Derby occ: farm lab (Tina's find) possible brother to Thomas?
Mary Greaves G/mother aged 67 born Spinkhill Derby

Spinkhill is a subsiduary of Eckington, according to Genuki.

Have had this conversation with Sue/Dom before re boundaries in Yorks/Derbys/Lincs/Notts/Humberside/Cleveland..East Lancs

Keep changing them, nightmare!! Not certain but Eckington could be South Yorks now.
Have pondered about this for a few days now, could be something or nothing.. Just could not let is pass by.

Gray

[Hilary]

Eckington is in Derbyshire. I was there last year. Baptisms for Eckington are on the web. www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Eckington and then click on Ridgeway Parish Registers they are there.

Ed Officer

Added later Eckington is in Chesterfield Registration District I did some research for someone that ended up in Eckington last year

[Gray]

Thanks Ed O,

Even though I live in the area, I always find registration districts here confusing.

Especially as I live in a small village called Tickhill, which is a district of Doncaster South Yorks.


I was quite surprised after the death of my mother to find her Registration listed on Ancestry as Nottinghamshire. Although the boarder is extremely close.


Gray

[Hilary]

Gray I know what you mean. I used to live in Penistone. It was in Barnsley MBC, we had a Sheffield post code, just up the road was Kirklees and just down the road well a few miles it was Sheffield. Now over the other side of the Pennines.

Ed Officer