Owens of West Derby

Post by **rick_it_2004** » 29 Dec 2009 21:27

Hi Everyone

I have a branch of my family, Owens, in West Derby. John George (1869) and Richard Albert (1871) were the sons of John (1838), who was the son of the wonderfully named Chadwalander (~1817).

I would love to hear from anyone with any information on my Owens branch.

Regards, Richard

Post by **Tina** » 30 Dec 2009 08:42

Hi Rick
I'm guessing you don't need any census etc info?
If you could give some street addresses and dates where your Owens lived, it could jog some memories.
All the best

Tina

Post by **rick_it_2004** » 30 Dec 2009 17:48

well, the 1881 census shows that the brothers are living apart, John is a boarder in West Derby (2 Holdsworth St) and Albert is living with an aunt Elizabeth and Uncle James Pearson at 18 West Beach, Lytham. I don't have a 1871 census for them unfortunately, though feel free to check, I could be simply going blind!

Regards, Richard

Post by **Tina** » 31 Dec 2009 00:10

Hi Rick
Albert Richard Owens birth not rego'd until june qtr W Dby 1871 so he probably wasn't born at time of 1871 census.
1891 he is with another family (Pemberton) listed in Preston as nephew & in 1901 with his widowed mother Margaret 64 in Liscard, she was born Wharles (which is near Preston I think)
1871 Toxteth Park, The Elms cottage
John Owens 30 coachman/dom serv bn Wales
Margaret 34 bn Wharles Lancs, Mary E 6 bn Broadgreen
John 4 bn Lpool.

Cheers
Tina

Post by **rick_it_2004** » 31 Dec 2009 01:38

thanks, Pemberton are his GrandParents on his Mother's side, so another aunty.

finding out the ancestor is another thing 8-(

Post by **Tina** » 31 Dec 2009 07:56

Sorry Rick which ancestor?

By the way, Margt & John have a son Reuben 1891 census, the Uncle Pemberton was also Reuben.
So perhaps not an Auntie connection at all.

Tina

Added:
Ancestor Cadwallader yes?
John Owens lists his birthplace as Denbigh

Post by **Tina** » 31 Dec 2009 09:25

Lo tis me again

You could be right about another Auntie
1881 Reuben (Reben) coachbuilder is listed as brother married in Lytham
Head of the house is Mary A Pemberton 50 unm lodging house prop.
Both born "Warles" plus Reuben's kiddies Mary A & John J.

1871 Reuben with his wife Frances & the two kids listed above.

I'd love to find all the Pembertons with their folks including Margaret.

Tina

Post by **rick_it_2004** » 01 Jan 2010 23:13

Margaret's parents are John (1813) and Ellen nee Chipingdale (1817)

Extracted record from the IGI Batch. No. C110004 Film No. 1278805
Margaret <Pemberton>
Christened: 19 NOV 1837 Saint Mary, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Father: John Pemberton
Mother: Ellen

Post by **Tina** » 02 Jan 2010 09:55

That's a surprise, her baptism in Blackburn yet she always states Wharles as her birthplace & so do her siblings.
Have you the family in 1841 census??
Some of the entries for Margaret are member submitted in IGI.
I'd be wary.

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 02 Jan 2010 10:00

Just to say Mary A is still alive in 1901 census 70 Aunt living with Mary E 37 in Lytham.
Mary A's birthplace incorrect, have sent error to Anc..

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 02 Jan 2010 10:29

Hi Peeps
What do you think about this find in 1841, thank you!

Mary Ann 10
Rueben 2

Wharles Lancs
John Pemberton 40 farmer, Mary 40, Ellen 15, Alice 13, Elizabeth 11, Mary Anne 10, John 9, Henry 7, Thomas 6, Margaret 4, Reuben 2, Richard 1.

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 02 Jan 2010 17:06

Well if Rick is in agreement that this is the right family, it will hopefully be straight forward to get their mother's maiden name.

Birth of Reuben Pemberton Q1 1839 Fylde Lancashire 21 395

I was wondering about two marriages for the father to explain the two names, but there's no real gap between the children is there? I really do think Blackburn is too far away from Preston. (Wharles)

Post by **Tina** » 03 Jan 2010 09:52

Hi Mary
Thanks very much for reply and about Blackburn being too far away.
Little Reubens birth will sort it out as you said.
We will have to wait until we get a reply.
I'd say Blackburn is a no show.

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 03 Jan 2010 10:06

Hi Mary
I've found Henry 7 from 1841 census, in 1891 birthplace listed as WHGRLES....
Error sent to Anc#

Tina

added I've found Thomas P bn Wharles 1836 in 1871 census

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Jan 2010 16:56

You got it cracked Tina! well done!!

Post by **Tina** » 04 Jan 2010 07:54

Thanks Mary

I hope so!
I've found the John & Ellen mentioned, Blackburn marriage.
They are in 1851 both born Blackburn & their kiddies, no Reuben listed.

I've found the Pemberton's in 1851
Reuben transcribed as ...............wait for it

PASEBIN

They're farming at Walton Hall Farm, Walton le Dale all listed as born Kirkham.
(Gen UK have Wharles as a hamlet in the chapelry of Kirkham)
Ellen from 1841 may have married as they have a grandson John Jackson.
The other girls unmarried, boys all there, only one missing is Margt.
HO107/2268/4/1

Back to Ellen, marriage Old Fylde R.O
Ellen Pemberton to Thomas Jackson 1848.

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 04 Jan 2010 11:16

Well done again! and you would be right, Kirkham would come under the Fylde registration district.