Hello All,
Looking for your expertise..
My x 7 g.fathers marriage:
Nathan Fairhurst born c 1768/1770 L.pool. occ: customs officer
Married Jennet/Jane ??
Have been down all the obvious routes.. L.pool RO/ IGI/Ancestry
Most importantly LRO have no record of the marriage/maybe never married? Although earlier records are Non Conformists: Kaye Street Baptists.
Children: Mother listed as jennet
James Fairhurst birth: 12/12/1787 St Peters L.pool my x 6 g.father
Richard Fairhurst born 13/1/1794 died 11/101794 St Peter L.pool
Martha Fairhurst born c 1794 St Peter L.pool.
Childrens mother listed as jane: am assured the same mother! Possibly 2 mothers??
Margaret Fairhurst 9/9/1799 St Peter L.pool
Thomas Fairhurst 22/10/1791 St Peter L.pool
Jane Fairhurst 30/8/1789 St Peter L.pool
Nathan12/9/1798 st Peter L.pool (Moroccan leather dealer)
Your input greatly appreciated.
Grayx
Nathan Fairhurst c 1770 Liverpool
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Gray
Nathan Fairhurst c 1770 Liverpool
Last edited by Gray on 24 Dec 2009 04:09, edited 1 time in total.
According to lan-opc
Margaret born 9 September 1795 ch 8 Nov 1795 daughter of Nathaniel and Jane of Union St Customs Officer so obviously the same couple. They don't list a Martha. Jennett they onoy use once I think the rest of the time Jane
The most likely would be possibly the marriage listed as Nathan to Margaret Ellison in 1787 but why Margaret. I would expect Nathan to be a little older than married at 18/19 as he's a Customs Officer.
The National Archives have a lot of information on Customs Officer I shall see what I can find.
Ed Officer
PS Do you know when Nathan died and how old he was at death? What was his wife called at death?
Margaret born 9 September 1795 ch 8 Nov 1795 daughter of Nathaniel and Jane of Union St Customs Officer so obviously the same couple. They don't list a Martha. Jennett they onoy use once I think the rest of the time Jane
The most likely would be possibly the marriage listed as Nathan to Margaret Ellison in 1787 but why Margaret. I would expect Nathan to be a little older than married at 18/19 as he's a Customs Officer.
The National Archives have a lot of information on Customs Officer I shall see what I can find.
Ed Officer
PS Do you know when Nathan died and how old he was at death? What was his wife called at death?
They've changed their site and it took me ages to find research guides so I've coied the bit I think is relevant
2. Customs Officers
The first Customs officers to be appointed go back to 1294, and later on include Geoffrey Chaucer (of the Canterbury Tales fame) and information on the Medieval Customs' Accounts can be found in The National Archives research guide Domestic Records Information 8. A published list can be found in The English Customs Service 1307-43, A Study of Medieval Administration (Robert L Baker, The American Philosophical Society, 1961). In addition, HM Stationery Office published (1913) An Account of the Commissioners of Customs, Excise, Hearthmoney, and Inland Revenue, 1642-1913, with similar information. Both of these books are available in The National Archives' library, Kew.
Warrants appointing Customs officers, 1714-1797, are to be found in series C 208 , indexed by C 202/267 to C 202/269 . The Customs Officers Patent Rolls can be found in series C 209 (1722-1798), with copies for the period 1816-1856 in CUST 39/186-187 . The Customs Board minute books, in CUST 28 , contain information on the first and later postings of Customs officers, with details of any praise or censure.
For Customs officials, there are pay lists and staff lists, arranged by place, in PRO 30/32/15 to PRO 30/32/29 (1673-1689), CUST 18 (1675-1813) and CUST 19 (1814-1829), CUST 39 (1671- 1970) and T 42 1747-1847). There is a separate series within CUST 39 (pieces CUST 39/104-121 for 1860-1885) for Scotland (which is then continued in the Scotland and Ireland set in CUST 39/141-144 for 1885-1894. Additional records for 1714-1829 can be found in series T 43 . Similar records for Ireland are to be found in CUST 20 (1684-1826) and CUST 39/122-140 for 1840; 1860-1885) then as part of the Scotland and Ireland set in CUST 39/141-144 for 1885-1894. (but this also includes some Excise men) However, in general these give little personal detail, although very occasionally details of marriage might be given. Some family details can be found in the pension records in CUST 39/145-151 which cover 1803 to 1922. For Ireland, there are pension records covering 1785-1898 in CUST 39/161 and CUST 39/162 . The Scottish pension records can be found in CUST 39/160 . The most useful for family historians are, as always, the sections relating to widows' pensions, which give details of any children. Applications for pensions (as well as appointments and other material) can be found in series T 1 . These records can be found by using the Calendars of Treasury Books, Calendars of Treasury Papers and the Calendars of Treasury Books and Papers (up to 1745), with the records going back to 1660. There are also indexes in series T 2 and T 4 (which need to be ordered as original documents) and T 108 (available in the Research Enquiries Room, Kew but which start around the 1820s ending in May 1920). For more information on these records see the Research Guide Treasury Board: Letters and Papers, 1557-1920. Additionally records about appointments, pay and discipline matters for the United Kingdom and Ireland can be found in series CUST 119 . Other family details can be found among the correspondence of the individual ports ('outports' in the Customs service) with the Customs Board. In addition Ham's Customs Year Book contain details of officers and are available in The National Archives library, although it is not a complete collection.
Smuggling cases may mention individual officers and an indication of date and place would be needed. Some of the cases may be held locally, rather than at The National Archives.
For details of disciplinary offences, promotion, leave and pensions of staff for the period 1831-1921 see series CUST 40 .
The information is not on line but actually at the Archives. I've looked at some of it there. I thought it could be useful as with a bit of luck you should get dates of birth and place, possibly marriage and children especially if he received a pension.
Hope this helps
Ed Officer
2. Customs Officers
The first Customs officers to be appointed go back to 1294, and later on include Geoffrey Chaucer (of the Canterbury Tales fame) and information on the Medieval Customs' Accounts can be found in The National Archives research guide Domestic Records Information 8. A published list can be found in The English Customs Service 1307-43, A Study of Medieval Administration (Robert L Baker, The American Philosophical Society, 1961). In addition, HM Stationery Office published (1913) An Account of the Commissioners of Customs, Excise, Hearthmoney, and Inland Revenue, 1642-1913, with similar information. Both of these books are available in The National Archives' library, Kew.
Warrants appointing Customs officers, 1714-1797, are to be found in series C 208 , indexed by C 202/267 to C 202/269 . The Customs Officers Patent Rolls can be found in series C 209 (1722-1798), with copies for the period 1816-1856 in CUST 39/186-187 . The Customs Board minute books, in CUST 28 , contain information on the first and later postings of Customs officers, with details of any praise or censure.
For Customs officials, there are pay lists and staff lists, arranged by place, in PRO 30/32/15 to PRO 30/32/29 (1673-1689), CUST 18 (1675-1813) and CUST 19 (1814-1829), CUST 39 (1671- 1970) and T 42 1747-1847). There is a separate series within CUST 39 (pieces CUST 39/104-121 for 1860-1885) for Scotland (which is then continued in the Scotland and Ireland set in CUST 39/141-144 for 1885-1894. Additional records for 1714-1829 can be found in series T 43 . Similar records for Ireland are to be found in CUST 20 (1684-1826) and CUST 39/122-140 for 1840; 1860-1885) then as part of the Scotland and Ireland set in CUST 39/141-144 for 1885-1894. (but this also includes some Excise men) However, in general these give little personal detail, although very occasionally details of marriage might be given. Some family details can be found in the pension records in CUST 39/145-151 which cover 1803 to 1922. For Ireland, there are pension records covering 1785-1898 in CUST 39/161 and CUST 39/162 . The Scottish pension records can be found in CUST 39/160 . The most useful for family historians are, as always, the sections relating to widows' pensions, which give details of any children. Applications for pensions (as well as appointments and other material) can be found in series T 1 . These records can be found by using the Calendars of Treasury Books, Calendars of Treasury Papers and the Calendars of Treasury Books and Papers (up to 1745), with the records going back to 1660. There are also indexes in series T 2 and T 4 (which need to be ordered as original documents) and T 108 (available in the Research Enquiries Room, Kew but which start around the 1820s ending in May 1920). For more information on these records see the Research Guide Treasury Board: Letters and Papers, 1557-1920. Additionally records about appointments, pay and discipline matters for the United Kingdom and Ireland can be found in series CUST 119 . Other family details can be found among the correspondence of the individual ports ('outports' in the Customs service) with the Customs Board. In addition Ham's Customs Year Book contain details of officers and are available in The National Archives library, although it is not a complete collection.
Smuggling cases may mention individual officers and an indication of date and place would be needed. Some of the cases may be held locally, rather than at The National Archives.
For details of disciplinary offences, promotion, leave and pensions of staff for the period 1831-1921 see series CUST 40 .
The information is not on line but actually at the Archives. I've looked at some of it there. I thought it could be useful as with a bit of luck you should get dates of birth and place, possibly marriage and children especially if he received a pension.
Hope this helps
Ed Officer
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Gray
Nathan fairhurst c 1770 Liverpool
Hello Ed O.. Many thanks for your reply.
A Very Merry Christmas to you and all our members.
I have seen the marr: to Margaret Ellison and have wondered if it was a later marriage. There appears to be no issue from the marriage that I am aware of. His date of death eludes me as the name is quite popular of the time..
Nathan/Nathaniel Fairhurst is a popular name within the family.. goes way back. The nearest was My x3 g.father Nathan Fairhurst 1810 L.pool occ: tailor died Brownlow Hill workhouse 1874 cause: bronchitis .. death cert.
I Am fortunate to have Nathan Fairhurst born c 1716 L.pool occ: potter/pipe maker( bapt records)marrying Mary Thelwell born c 1716 L.pool.
Many thanks for your interest.
Gray
A Very Merry Christmas to you and all our members.
I have seen the marr: to Margaret Ellison and have wondered if it was a later marriage. There appears to be no issue from the marriage that I am aware of. His date of death eludes me as the name is quite popular of the time..
Nathan/Nathaniel Fairhurst is a popular name within the family.. goes way back. The nearest was My x3 g.father Nathan Fairhurst 1810 L.pool occ: tailor died Brownlow Hill workhouse 1874 cause: bronchitis .. death cert.
I Am fortunate to have Nathan Fairhurst born c 1716 L.pool occ: potter/pipe maker( bapt records)marrying Mary Thelwell born c 1716 L.pool.
Many thanks for your interest.
Gray
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Gray
nathan fairhurst c 1770 Liverpool
Hi daggers,
Thankyou for looking.
I am almost certain Joseph (tailor) is connected to my family.
Thomas (flour man) is also a possibility.
However there were I believe 2 Fairhurst families in L.pool. 1. Kirkdale 2.Everton.. I believe they are connected but have not been able to find the connection yet.. hopefully one day.
The latter years they are painters/plumbers/glaziers/plaisterers.
Apart from my x 2 g.father James Fairhurst born c 1845 who was a 'bottler and packer' for export wines and spirits..
strange that his x3 g.father was a customs officer..
Merry Christmas, All the very best.
Gray
Thankyou for looking.
I am almost certain Joseph (tailor) is connected to my family.
Thomas (flour man) is also a possibility.
However there were I believe 2 Fairhurst families in L.pool. 1. Kirkdale 2.Everton.. I believe they are connected but have not been able to find the connection yet.. hopefully one day.
The latter years they are painters/plumbers/glaziers/plaisterers.
Apart from my x 2 g.father James Fairhurst born c 1845 who was a 'bottler and packer' for export wines and spirits..
strange that his x3 g.father was a customs officer..
Merry Christmas, All the very best.
Gray
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Gray
Nathan Fairhurst c 1770 Liverpool
Hi All,
No further forward with Nathan.. customs officer.
Whilst looking I came across his g.son John Fairhust born 19/4/1808 L.pool. Brother to my x3 g.father Nathan Fairhurst 1810
John is listed on the IGI pilot site:
Index to bounty immigrants to NSW Australia 1828-1842
John fairhurst 1808 resident L.pool occ: painter rel: prot.
Fathers' name: James Fairhurst occ: mariner (died c1814/15)
Mothers' name: Mary Birtles (2nd marr: a James Gratrix)
Spouses' name: Sarah Fairhurst (nee Bibby) marr: 25/10/1836 St Peter
Spouses fathers' name: Samuel Bibby occ: pilot
Spouses mothers' name: Ann
Ships name: FORMOSA
Event date:14th July 1840
Vol 30 Dig GS No 4117084 Image No: 772
Children accom:
Mary Fairhurst 1837 L.pool
Esther Fairhurst 1839 L.pool (Listed as EASTER Fairhurst)
Hopefully of use..
Gray
No further forward with Nathan.. customs officer.
Whilst looking I came across his g.son John Fairhust born 19/4/1808 L.pool. Brother to my x3 g.father Nathan Fairhurst 1810
John is listed on the IGI pilot site:
Index to bounty immigrants to NSW Australia 1828-1842
John fairhurst 1808 resident L.pool occ: painter rel: prot.
Fathers' name: James Fairhurst occ: mariner (died c1814/15)
Mothers' name: Mary Birtles (2nd marr: a James Gratrix)
Spouses' name: Sarah Fairhurst (nee Bibby) marr: 25/10/1836 St Peter
Spouses fathers' name: Samuel Bibby occ: pilot
Spouses mothers' name: Ann
Ships name: FORMOSA
Event date:14th July 1840
Vol 30 Dig GS No 4117084 Image No: 772
Children accom:
Mary Fairhurst 1837 L.pool
Esther Fairhurst 1839 L.pool (Listed as EASTER Fairhurst)
Hopefully of use..
Gray