Name: Lunt

Post by **farmyard** » 28 Dec 2009 16:07

Hello everyone. I notice a mention of the name Lunt. I am looking for information on the Lunt family who married into the Ibbotson family.
Jane Ibbotson (father Frank, cow keeper and stone mason and mother Isabel) married 20 Sep 1866 in St Augustines Church, Walton on the Hill Parish, George Lunt, clerk, (father John Lunt, Porter), both resident in Everton. Witnesses: James Sanding and Elizabeth Ibbotson.

On the 1871 census George is shown as being a carter and they have a son George (3) and daughter Mary J (2).

On the 1881 census father Francis (Frank) mother have grandson George living with them, but aged (8). Possibly another child born later, named after a deceased George. I haven't managed to locate Jane and George in the 1881 census.

I would appreciate please any help offered with thanks.

Other names of interest are:- Marrison, Pott, Thomas, Edwards, Delamere, Williams (Liverpool). Pott, Prophet, Chetwin (Lancashire/Derby)
Edwards, Thomas, Williams (Wales) and Churchill, Lye, Sully (Somerset)

so may be able to help also.

Post by **MaryA** » 28 Dec 2009 17:47

Hi and welcome to the forum.

To assist anybody looking to help, the 1871 census ref is RG10; Piece: 3757; Folio: 81; Page: 36
74 Dalrymple Street, St Martin, Liverpool
George Lunt Head M 27 Carter Liverpool Lancashire
Jane Wife M 28 Yorkshire
George son 3 Liverpool
Mary J daur 2 "

Post by **MaryA** » 28 Dec 2009 18:00

Luckily ages are given at this date but a search of the indexes doesn't show up a likely entry for George nor Mary J.

Have you investigated the death of Jane Lunt Q1 1873 West Derby 8b 324 age approx 30?

I was wondering if they may have been able to afford a grave for her, if this is the correct entry the possibility at that date is that she may have been buried in Ford. http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... rcburials/

If this was researched there may be other family members in the same grave to help identify.

Post by **MaryA** » 28 Dec 2009 18:26

Not easy finding George in earlier censuses with his father - can you please give the details of what he gave as his age from the marriage certificate?

Post by **MaryA** » 28 Dec 2009 18:35

I have a feeling I have him now in earlier censuses ... although his age is a little out from what he gives in 1871.

1861 - 16 Cellar, Oliver Street, West Derby
Jane Lunt Head Unm 25 Charwoman Liverpool
Thomas brother 17 labourer “
George brother 14 labourer “
RG9; Piece: 2733; Folio: 84; Page: 4

1851 - Holden Street, West Derby
Alice Head Wid 45 Charwoman Lancashire Boulder
Ellen daur U 20 House Servant Lancashire Rainhill
Jane daur U 15 “ Liverpool
John 13 Errand Boy “
Elizabeth 10 Scholar “
Thomas 7 “ “
George 5 “ “
Mathias 3 “
William 1 West Derby
HO107; Piece: 2192; Folio: 511; Page: 16HO107; Piece: 2192; Folio: 511; Page: 16

1841 - 46 Peach Street, Mount Pleasant
John Lunt 40 Carter
Alice 30 Wife
Ellen 10 Daughter
Mary 7 “
Ann 5 “
John 3 Son
Elizabeth 5 months daughter
HO107; Piece 561; Book: 21; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 28; Page: 48 & 49; Line: 25

There is also at 30 Peach Street
James Lunt 35 Carter
Allan? Ellen? 20 Wife
Richard 1 Son
HO107; Piece 561; Book: 21; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 25; Page: 43; Line: 14

John and James could be brothers?

Post by **MaryA** » 28 Dec 2009 18:43

A big maybe but worth asking for a look up in the Liverpool Record Office is

George Lunt to Emma Edwards All Saints, Liverpool Q2 1879.

The IF is, that if this is your George, and the age fits with the earlier censuses, this could be him in 1891.

16 Arlington Street, Kirkdale
All born Liverpool
George Lunt Head M 45 Carter
Emma Wife M 43 Dressmaker
Emma daur 10
Ada daur 7
Ethel May daur 1
RG12; Piece: 2965; Folio 35; Page 21

Post by **MaryA** » 28 Dec 2009 18:46

I've added a request onto Philrob's and we'll keep our fingers crossed that somebody visiting the Record Office will do a look up for you.
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... 2511#72511

Post by **farmyard** » 28 Dec 2009 19:33

Thanks Mary and everyone for their input.
Replying mainly at the moment to question re the MCert. Both parties give their ages as full. From earlier census I know Jane was born 1843, but have no other info on George. I do have a John and Alice Lunt at 11 Rock Street, West Derby 1881 cenus. RG11, 3715, 36, page 65. I was hoping to find more of Jane and George and children but looks as if Jane may have died, but will look into that and get back to you. Thanks again.

Averil (farmyard)

Post by **Hilary** » 28 Dec 2009 19:53

Found these baptisms on lan-opc

Baptisms: 15 Nov 1835 St.Catherine Abercrombie Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ann Jane - daughter of John Lunt & Alice
Born: 11 Nov 1835
Abode: Peach St.
Occupation: Labourer

Baptisms: 25 Mar 1838 St.Catherine Abercrombie Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Lunt - Son of John Lunt & Alice
Born: 15 Feb 1838
Abode: Peach St.
Occupation: Carter

Baptisms: 5 Jan 1841 St.Catherine Abercrombie Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Lunt - Daughter of John Lunt & Alice
Born: 5 Jan 1841
Abode: Peach St.
Occupation: Carter
Notes: Priv Bap. Recd. into the Ch. Nov. 28.

Baptisms: 27 Nov 1842 St.Catherine Abercrombie Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Alice Lunt - Daughter of John Lunt & Alice
Born: 4 Oct 1842
Abode: Peach St.
Occupation: Carter
Notes: Priv Bap

Baptisms: 10 Feb 1850 St.Catherine Abercrombie Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Henry Lunt - Son of John Lunt & Alice
Born: 4 Jan 1850
Abode: Palm St.
Occupation: Carter

Ed Officer

Post by **farmyard** » 29 Dec 2009 14:51

Hi everyone and thanks once again.
Since receiving your help, I have looked into indexes and Lancsbmd and found some probable answers:

Birth: George Jnr (1) Sep 1867 George Christopher LUNT (Christopher is an Ibbotson family name) - WD8b 368
Death: Dec 1872 - George Christopher LUNT aged 5 - WD 8b 2 (7-)
Two Births - George Jnr (2) March 1873 George LUNT - WD 8b 447
George LUNT - Liverpool 8b 125.
Death: - March 1873 - Jane LUNT aged 30 - WD8b 324, which makes it likely that the WD birth entry is the correct one for George (2) and fits in with the 1881 census where he is living with Ibbotson grandparents.
I have also found four births for George LUNT snr, three being for Liverpool and all 1845 all part of the fun of the chase.

Marriage: 4 in number for a George Lunt snr. following the death of Jane in 1873.
1875 - Lancsbmd - to Charlotte Davies Liverpool St John
1875 - Lancsbmd - to Margaret Boddan Liverpool St Peter
1879 - Lancsbmd - to Emma Edwards Liverpool All Saints and
1880 - 1880 to Jane Dickinson WD - Liverpool Reg.Office. forgot to take note of reg.details.

Marriage: - George LUNT jnr.
Dec 1894 - WD8b 842 to Mary Ellen LASHLEY, confirmed on Lancsbmd at St Nathaniel Windsor.
Sept 1903- WD 8b 614 to Hannah WILKINSON, confirmed on Lancsbmd at St Ambrose, Everton.
Dec 1901 - TP 8b 436 to Rebecca STONES, confirmed on Lancsbmd at Toxteth Park Reg. Office.

Birth: Mar 1869 - Mary Jane LUNT Liverpool 8b 87
Marriage: Mar 1893 - Mary Jane LUNT - Liverpool 8b 30 to
David Stirling. This is confirmed on Lancsbmd at Liverpool St Peter.

I also have a number of Stirling offspring to check on in census and there may be some hitches contained in above info and would welcome any pointers. Thanks again for help.

Averil (farmyard)

Post by **irenew** » 29 Dec 2009 17:15

Marriage info as requested by mary a for you
4 may 1879
George lunt 34 widower carter 17 patmos st
father john lunt carter deceased
Emma Edwards 31 widow 99 leyden st
father james keenen porter
witness thomas and ellen cromwell
hope this helps Irene

Post by **MaryA** » 29 Dec 2009 18:01

Thank you very much Irene - I hope Averil agrees that this is a very strong possibility for a second marriage for George senior.

Post by **farmyard** » 01 Jan 2010 21:16

Hello and happy new year to everyone.

I did send a message but sorry it was a pm to say thanks for getting me the marriage details. It looks as if it is the George Lunt snr who did marry again.

I have looked on the 1881 census for him and Emma and George jnr and Mary Jane but had no luck. Obviously not doing something right, but will have another go with the witnesses at the wedding.

Best wishes for 2010.

Averil (farmyard)

Post by **MaryA** » 01 Jan 2010 22:24

No they aren't easy to find in 1881 are they? I was trying to see if they had been mistranscribed as family members, eg with the Keenans, but it wouldn't appear so.

I did a search of James Keenan with occupation porter and a couple of possibles came up, however, remembering George's address in 1871 I suspect this is Emma's father, and brother?

40 Dalrymple Street, St Martin, Liverpool
Frederick Keenan Head M 23 Cooper Cheshire Tranmere
Anne Wife 23 N. Wales Mold
Anne daur 11 months Liverpool
James Father Widower 62 Cotton Porter Formerly Ireland (Blind)
RG11; Piece: 3595; Folio: 48; Page: 36

Post by **MaryA** » 01 Jan 2010 22:54

Did you find the witnesses? I thought these were interesting ...

84 Dalrymple Street, St Martin, Liverpool
All born Liverpool
Thomas Cornwall Head M 36 Boilermaker
Ellen Wife M 28
Margaret E daur 5 Scholar
John LUNT Boarder Unm 33 Labourer
RG11; Piece: 3595; Folio: 50; Page: 40

The age is out for the John who I thought was his brother.

Post by **farmyard** » 02 Jan 2010 21:24

Hi Mary. Thanks for your information. I have located the Keenans and noticed a fair number of Keenan families in Tranmere district.

The Cornwells could well be the Cromwells misinterpreted as there are typing errors made. (I am the eternal optimist).

I have not located any other relevant Lunts again and I am going to try James Pauling who was a witness to George's first wedding in 1866 to Jane Ibbotson. The other half of the Ibbotsons (Jane's uncle) did a disappearing act to Bolton leaving their youngest daughter, my grandmother with an aunt/uncle who brought her up. She noted on her marriage lines that her father was deceased when he and her mother and two sisters were actually alive. The parents even went to live in Huddersfield to live with the second married daughter before returning to Bolton where they died in old age. My grandmother thought that they had all died at a young age. I wonder whether George and Emma moved somewhere else for a short while (may be to escape the debt collectors) and then returned to Kirkdale?

I'll keep you posted. Until then, cheers

Averil (farmyard)