Samuel Nixon Murphy

Post by **someone** » 30 Nov 2009 20:18

My great uncle Samuel Nixon Murphy went to USA in the early 1900s.We haven,t been able to find him although I have searched emigration records.By chance I have found him on ancestry under Court,Land Wills and Financial.I found quite a few entries under U.S Patent and Trademark,unfortunately I haven,t got the deluxe Ancestry.Is there anyone who can access this for me please ?

Post by **northmeols** » 30 Nov 2009 22:34

is this your guy

1871 England Census
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Murphy 39
Ann Murphy 37
Sarah M Murphy 4
Samuel Nixon Murphy 2
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3760; Folio: 29; Page: 51; GSU roll: 841879.

FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Samuel Nixon Murphy
Year 1869 Quarter Apr-May-Jun
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b Page: 41

1881 England Census
Mother's Name: Ann
Street Address: 17 Beatrice St
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph O'Donoghue 42
Ann O'Donoghue 44
Sarah Ann Murphy 14
Saml. N. Murphy 11 Step Son b. liverpool
Mary Angoin 60
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3659; Folio: 82; Page: 9;GSU roll: 1341876.

1891 England Census
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Odonoghue 52
Ann Odonoghue 55
Sarah A Murphy 24
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2951; Folio 67; Page 16; GSU roll: 6098061.

1901 England Census
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation:iron foundry worker
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Odonoughe 62
Ann Odonoughe 65
Samuel Murphy 30
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3473; Folio: 97; Page: 1.

this is not him

U.S. General Land Office Records, 1796-1907
Name: Samuel N Murphy
Issue Date: 25 Nov 1879
State of Record: Michigan
Acres: 160
Accession Number: MI3050__.201
Metes and Bounds: No
Land Office: Reed City
have saved original for you

Post by **dickiesam** » 01 Dec 2009 16:18

According to FMP's Passenger Emigration records there are only two adult male Sam(!) Murphys leaving for the US between 1899 and 1915. No ages given, just entered as Adult.

Name: Sam MURPHY - Date of departure: 1 April 1910; Port of departure: Glasgow; Destination port: Boston;
Age: Adult; Marital Status: Single; Gender: Male; Occupation: Labourer
Ship: HESPERIAN
Official Number: 124266
Master's name: John Williams
Steamship Line: Allan Line Steamship Co Ltd
Where bound: Boston, USA

Name: Saml MURPHY - Date of departure: 2 July 1909; Port of departure: Liverpool; Destination port: New York;
Age: Adult; Marital Status: Single; Gender: Male; Occupation: Waiter.
Ship: MAURETANIA
Official Number: 124093
Master's name: J Pritchard
Steamship Line: Cunard
Where bound: New York, USA

Have you traced him through Ellis Island and in the US Censuses of 1910 and 1920 etc?
Dickiesam

Post by **someone** » 02 Dec 2009 16:02

Thanks for your info.The Samuel Nixon Murphy on the census is my great uncle.After 1901 we lost him,his mother died in 1903 so he might have gone to USA then but he still had his stepfather who had brought him up.I have searched the emigration records and another family member searched Ellis Island withouy success.Because the name on theentry was U.S Patent and Trade mark office was Samuel Nixon Murphy,I thought he was the one.Thanks you for your helpit is much appreciated.

Post by **dickiesam** » 02 Dec 2009 19:30

Hi,
Do you know for certain that Samuel went to the United States? If you do, then, given his 1901 occupation of 'labourer', I'd suggest the Sam Murphy sailing from Glasgow for Boston in 1910 might be him.

A search of leaving 'all ports for all destinations' between 1901 and 1911 produced about 25 male S Murphys including the 2 Sams found earlier. There are no S N Murphys going anywhere.

Because you have his age and place of birth, if he went to the US and stayed there, he should be 'findable' in the 1920 US Census.
Dickiesam

Post by **northmeols** » 02 Dec 2009 23:51

checked 1910, 1920 &1930 us censuses could not find one who fit....but check this info he fits to a tee and was born in liverpool. even though port of departure is south america, many liverpool men went to this area because of the lucrative trade and wealth. I saved it if you want a copy of the original

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
about Samuel Murphy
Name: Samuel Murphy
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Age: 37
Port of Departure: Antofagarsta South America
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 7 May 1906
Vessel Name: Cromdale

Post by **northmeols** » 03 Dec 2009 00:01

checked out the wills and patent records listed on ancestry....they all have one or two of the tree names but none fit him as many say Samuel Murphy born in USA an american citizen or other such description. some are for before yours was even born...wish I had better news.

Post by **someone** » 03 Dec 2009 14:40

Thanks for all the hard work you have done for me.I would like a copy of the original ,as you say it fits him to a tee.The trouble with "stories" in a family,the facts aren,t always correct,we were told he was married but can,t find any marriage in this country .The story goes that once he went away nobody ever heard from him again. Thanks once again.

Post by **northmeols** » 04 Dec 2009 03:05

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w126 ... murphy.jpg

Post by **someone** » 04 Dec 2009 14:47

I have made copies of the document you sent me,will pass them round the family.As you say it does fit him to a tee.Aberdeen could have been where the ship was registered,it could have sailed from Liverpool.Thanks once again

Post by **dickiesam** » 04 Dec 2009 18:20

If the Samuel Murphy that Northmeols found is your man..... He went west!
The port of departure is on the Pacific coast. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antofagasta

And a couple of snippets about the Cromdale that may be of interest:
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14212

And 2nd ship on this page:
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/articles/19jan.asp

If it is he, we should be able to find him leaving the UK or perhaps he arrived in Chile via the US? It's a fair old trip from California to Chile but not as far as Chile to Australia.
Dickiesam

Post by **northmeols** » 05 Dec 2009 00:22

Dickie it was about this time that the trade industry from liverpool to south america became hot and heavy many companies had offices in that region and hired local Liverpool men they could trust to work there. I have ancestors at this time who went to Brazil with the Postal ships and worked the local delivery lines. the money was good and they saved much of it by living in company housing. this is only a suggestion but could be true.

Post by **someone** » 05 Dec 2009 12:13

The more I read the more likely I am to think that this is our Samuel.It is a new line of thinking after being bogged down for so long.It makes sense that he went out of this country as a seaman as emmigration lines show nothing.His mother died in 1903 so it does fit.His stepfather Joseph O'Donoghue had been a seaman so maybe he inspired him.Thanks once again for all your help

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