Born in Ireland

[Blue70]

Hi Folks,

I have a family line where both parents were born in Ireland (late 1840s/early 1850s) but no further information is given on each census. I'm wondering if certificates for their children might contain more information as to where exactly in Ireland they were born.

There is another line were an ancestor was born in Ireland and he married in 1853 at St John The Baptist, Toxteth Park would a certificate likely contain where about he was born in Ireland?

Thanks,

Col



Reeves, Mylchreest, Atkinson, Holland, Harvey, Willis, Brookfield, Brady, Arnold, Jones...

[Tina]

Hi Col
Welcome aboard.
I have a marriage cert dated 1852 for a church in Tox Park, my GGpa's first wife was from Ireland, no info given, just her father's name & occupation and her address. It doesn't state whether or not her father was in Ireland at the time of the marriage.

The members here will be able to help you.

Good luck

Tina

[S_Lawler_Lee]

Me too I have census records for GG grandparents - one born in Ireland and partner born in Scotland - will watch with interest for clues
cheers

[MaryA]

Unfortunately England doesn't provide very much information on a previous generation on their certificates, oh that we were Australia or even Scotland to a point, but our entries are much more interested in where and who the actual person was. We are lucky that we get the father's details on a marriage certificate at that date, and that stops in 1837 as before civil registration there is little information given in the registers.

You could try one of the name mapping sites and see if your surname predominantly arises in one particular area.

The IGI or the LDS Search Pilot may have a birth that might match the expected date and parents details if you have them, giving another clue.

Alternatively if you look at around the area and see if there are any others from Ireland who give a more specific birthplace that might give you an idea as when immigrants arrived in Liverpool they would often seek lodgings near to others who came from their home as they wouldn't feel so alone.

[MaryA]

Don't forget that the records for St John the Baptist, Toxteth Park should be held at the Liverpool Record Office and if you can check them it would save you the cost of the Certificate.

[Blue70]

Thanks everyone.

Col

[dickiesam]

Hello Col,
If the parents lived up to the 1911 census it is possible more detail of place of birth is given instead of just 'Ireland'. Sometimes the 1901 will have a bit more as well, but I had to wait until the 1911 to get the place within Ireland for one of my g.g.mothers.
Cheers,
Dickiesam

[Blue70]

I've done some more research after a relative gave me some information that meant the second Irish link I mentioned was totally wrong. I've lost the (Mc)Loughlins but gained Willis from County Sligo. There's another line I have I forgot to mention, Brady, I know they came from County Cavan. The first name I was referring to was Holland there's still no more info on that link. The name seems to have gone into Ireland with English settlers in the 1100s and now it's everywhere in Ireland.

Col