Albert Wilson, 88 Crown St, Liverpool WW1

Post by **42lingfield** » 30 Sep 2016 17:53

Many years ago the family found details of Albert's WW1 injuries which appeared to show that he was shot and not gassed as the family had thought. Unfortunately the papers were passed to me for safe keeping and, sadly, I appear to have mislaid or lost them. Where might this information have been found and how can I go about discovering what happened to him during the war.

There is no urgency; I will be on holiday next week.

Peter.

Post by **daggers** » 30 Sep 2016 18:53

It will help if you can add any more about the regiment he served in.

D

Post by **42lingfield** » 30 Sep 2016 19:09

Dear Daggers

Thanks for the note. Other members of the family were in the Liverpool Regiment so I guess Albert was too.

Peter

Post by **Bertieone** » 30 Sep 2016 19:09

Here is the family,

88 Crown St,
RG14, P22179,

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... &ml_rpos=1

Thomas Wilson 57
Margaret Wilson 54
William St Wilson 22
Eleanor Wilson 19
Bessie P Wilson 17
Albert Wilson 13
Sidney Wilson 9
William E Smith 21
Thomas B Smith 19
John H Smith 17

1911 Directory,
Ballie & Wilson, Painters & Co
88 Crown St

Post by **42lingfield** » 01 Oct 2016 11:34

Bertieone - thanks for the note. I see the business was operated from the above address. I ask myself 'who was Baillie; an unusual name so I may be able to find him. However, my immediate problem is my loss of Albert's wounds records.They must have come from some good source.

Peter

Post by **Katie** » 04 Oct 2016 12:45

What was his regiment number?

Post by **Katie** » 04 Oct 2016 12:53

I have one listing for a Albert Wilson who was with the King's Regiment from a casualty list dated 12th September 1916

12th-Sept-1916
King's Liverpool Regiment
Private
Albert
29274
Wilson
Liverpool
Wounded

Post by **Bertieone** » 04 Oct 2016 13:11

Albert Wilson
Military Year:
1914-1920
Rank:
Private
Medal Awarded:
British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps:
Monmouthshire Regiment
Regimental Number:
230344
Previous Units:
29274 L'pool R. Pte Infantry Base Depot, 20/L'pool R., 230344 Mon R. Infantry Base Depot, Mon R. Att 12/S. Wales Bord.

Post by **42lingfield** » 12 Oct 2016 21:09

Some years ago I was given a copy of my uncle's service and injuries in WW1. Unfortunately I have lost the said paper. I have to try and find the details again. Where might the information have come from please?

Some more advice please. I have an extract of a letter draft which, seemingly, was written by Albert's father, Thomas Wilson. It suggests that Thomas' elder brother William John Wilson (b 24 Dec 1847 parents James and Mary Wilson at 57 Woolfe St, Liverpool) was a twin. How could I find if this was the case? There appears to be no birth certificate for a second child. A further note says '1856 death of baby Wilson. Cannot trace burial. Reg Q4'. Again, how might I discover if this is part of the family and what sort of certificate might be available?

Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

Peter.

Post by **daggers** » 12 Oct 2016 23:05

Ancestry and Findmypast each have some WW1 service-related papers, but 2/3 were lost in WW2. Worth a try, perhaps at a local library if you do not subscribe to either.

I have had a swift skim through FREEBMD for births of Wilson registered in Liverpool and W. Derby for the first quarter of 1848 which seems the likely time of registration, in case two entries bore consecutive numbers which seems likely in the case of twins. It did not produce anything, but it would be worth doing with more time available.
You could apply to the GRO for a certificate, giving the timescale and parents' names, and you would not be refunded if nothing was found. The same would apply for a possible death in 1856. YOu would not get details of burial but it might confirm a name and a date.

D

Post by **Bertieone** » 13 Oct 2016 05:50

Albert Wilson

Many eyes would have looked at this and it appears none of us have found anything conclusive.
Katie found an Albert Wilson on her wounded lists and I have given his Medal Card details, no service or pension records appear to be available unfortunately.
https://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ ... 30&t=15449

If William's twin was a still birth, prior to 1926 there wasn't a requirement to register. May explain no registration, etc.

Are you aware of these burials?

http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/db ... &section=L

1856
Wilson, Female, Birth, West Derby, Dec Qtr, 8b 225

Wilson, Female, Death, West Derby, Dec Qtr, 8b 275

Birth Certificate will give parents, hopefully.

Post by **MaryA** » 13 Oct 2016 08:29

As it may help to keep all enquiries about this man together I have merged the two topics, Peter may not have seen the previous answers to the post that had been on the Military Board, so reading through the whole of this post will bring them all to your attention.

Post by **42lingfield** » 13 Oct 2016 19:40

Dear Katie, Bert and Daggers, Thank you for your replies; A nice surprise on my return from holiday.

Katie - Can you tell me, please, where the casualty lists are held and if they are freely available to one and all.
Bert's list shows Thomas Barrett Smith. If you can could you look in the casualty lists for him. I have a postcard sent by my father to his father saying he had visited Tom and found him much improved. The card shows a street in Roehampton
and the same town was disclosed in the text. Would it be possible to find which hospital he was in?

Bert - Thanks for the family list, in particular Thomas Barrett Smith whom I have mentioned above.

Daggers - thanks for your findings from freebmd. I will look at the site. Some more info has subsequently come to light and I will post another note when I understand what we have found.

Peter.

Post by **Hilary** » 13 Oct 2016 23:14

Roe hampto was a unit set up at Queen Mary's Hospital Roehampton to fit prosthetics to men who had lost limbs during wars in the early 1900s.it continued to do this throughout WW2 Douglas Bader being a well known patient. I would imagine your relative had lost a limb if he was at Roehampton.

Googling will give more information.

Post by **42lingfield** » 14 Oct 2016 21:07

Hilary - thanks for note. I am old enough to remember Albert and he still had all four limbs. I will give google a go as you suggest.
- Peter

Post by **42lingfield** » 14 Oct 2016 21:13

Mary - thanks for merging the two subject. I know for next time.

THANKS to all have got me going. I am applying for certificates and I will post a note if anything of interest turns up.

Post by **Hilary** » 16 Oct 2016 11:29

Queen Mary's Hospital Roehsmpton was set up, apparently, in 1915 in Roehampton so he was perhaps there rather than the Roehampton Specialist Unit. History of the hospital can be found by googling but don't confuse it with Queen Mary's Hospital Sidcup which tends to come up as well. That was also set up during WW1 in 1917. It was a hut hospital with open verandahs and was still like that in the late 1960s! I remember it well as it was our local hospital when I was a child. Incidentally the Sidcup one specialised in plastic surgery.

Post by **42lingfield** » 16 Oct 2016 16:40

Dear Hilary,

Thanks for the note. As you will see from the various postings I have not been following sensible operational procedures in running too many subjects under one heading. I started with Albert's medical history, drifted on to twins etc then bobbed to Thomas Barrett Smith. I got mixed up with them all. It was not Albert in Roehampton but Thomas who I am confident had not lost a limb. I think I will pause and let this dust settle then I will post again with a separate post for each subject. I am sure I will get the hang of it in due time.

Peter

Post by **42lingfield** » 24 Nov 2016 16:13

Bertieone - Your link to Toxteth cemetery has been fruitful. The grave indicates the burial of a youngster, James age 13 months. We have obtained the appropriate certs and found his birth and death. We knew his mother had died after the childbirth but it is only now that we know a child was born. We are quite excited by this discovery. Thanks - Peter.

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