Kirk Famly - Resolved.

[up2you2]

I am looking for a volunteer who might be kind enough, to look up some entries in the white pages telephone directories, that are held in the:

Liverpool Record Office
Liverpool Central Library William Brown Street Liverpool I L3 8EW

[retiringtype]

Do you have an Ancestry sub? They have telephone directories 1880-1984.

A number of us have collections of Kelly's/Gore's Liverpool Directories - what names are you looking for and what time period?

[up2you2]

I do not have access to Ancestry.
These are the entries that I have come unstuck on, all related:

Samuel Kirk 1882- Death Sep 1951 • Liverpool North, Lancashire

William John Gillespie Kirk (Father of the below) Death Jun 1988 South Cheshire

John Kirk Birth 1934- • Bootle, Lancashire

Frank Kirk Birth Sep 1940- • Bootle, Lancashire

David Kirk Birth 1946- • Crosby, Lancashire

[Blue70]

If you're working on living people I don't think there will be many offers of help as privacy concerns usually put people off helping. When you're working on living people you need to use records such as the electoral rolls on Find My Past or other online electoral or telephone services. You will need to pay to access those records.


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[MaryA]

You can usually get a two week free trial with both Ancestry and Findmypast.

If you have those birth entries from the Birth Indexes, perhaps from FreeBMD, be aware that the places given are registration districts and if you click on them it will give you the coverage.

[MaryA]

There is only one death for a William John G Kirk in June 1988 and this was registered in Torbay, Devon not South Cheshire, birth given as 21 April, 1907. This would fit with a birth entry for William John G Kirk Q2 1907 Liverpool.

His wife Violet Kirk died in South Cheshire, June 1992, birth given as 31 January 1910.

Both living 12b Moorgate Avenue, Crosby in 1939.

[up2you2]

Yes I have really explored all the graveyards and possible obituaries for William John G Kirk Q2 1907 and Samuel.
So it is now really through desperation that I am thinking I have to resort to the white pages telephone dictories.
The remaining three might also be deceased, but their forenames are just too popular.

[retiringtype]

On ancestry someone ("Helenrgr" ) has posted 3 private trees which include William John Gillespie Kirk and spouse Violet Rose. If that is not you, then it might be an idea to contact her.

[MaryA]

I have to resort to the white pages telephone dictories.
The remaining three might also be deceased, but their forenames are just too popular.

If those names don't show up in the expected areas of the Electoral Registers (available on Findmypast), it is going to be very difficult to find them in the telephone directories, however, as advised by retiringtype above, these are available on Ancestry.

[MaryA]

If you still haven't had any luck with your research the Record Office does help with searches, however, they make a charge, quite reasonable.

[up2you2]

To all those that have responded to date thank you.

I am in the process of establishing in some of your recommendations have already been carried out, particularly the white pages searches through Ancestry.

I appreciate all of the suggestions you have put forward.

[up2you2]

A further update on my quest.

My tree Manager "Helenrgr" (childhood friend), has now come back to me to say that she has had a further look, and truly exhausted all avenues on these brothers.
They were born twelve years apart, so the odds that they all left together for another country seems remote, however they could have followed each other I suppose.
Quite a mystery, so if anyone can pull a rabbit out of the hat on this one, will be really be pulling off something exceptional.

Again my thanks to all concerned.

[MaryA]

You appear to have two posts duplicating each other so I have renamed this one and deleted the other to save confusion.

[up2you2]

This post has finally been resolved, and I think it is worth passing on how I completed it.

Blue70 mentioned living people, well at that early stage I think this had the potential to discount that some or all of these names I was seeking could still be alive.
I say this I believe that it might be easier to find the deceased, as opposed to searching for the politically sensitive living.

Secondly I had two destinations whereby there might have been a chance of finding John, Frank and David - Bootle and Crosby.
And out of these three, Frank might in theory be the easiest.
So I the decided to find out all of the Kirks past and present, who could have lived in Crosby, Liverpool.
And yes indeed I did find a Frank Kirk of 12 Newborough Avenue Crosby Liverpool L23 9TX Tel: 01519242791.
So I wrote to him - no reply.
A couple of days later I phoned him, and after a couple of rings the line went dead.
Another couple of days later I suddenly had a crazy idea, that he didn't answer because he was deceased.
So I put his name into Google and this link came up:

http://www.bmdsonline.co.uk/liverpool-e ... =tmms_liec

Thereafter another seven Kirks.

[Blue70]

Good site BMDs online if you are looking for a death in the last few years. Another good free site to identify when people died in recent years:-

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills


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