HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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retiringtype wrote:
Could this be him?

Criminal Register

Name: Henry James Hanford
Age: 24
Date of Trial: 22 Jul 1844
Offence: Uttering counterfeit coin
Location of Trial: Liverpool Boro', Lancashire, England
Sentence: 5 weeks Imprisonment
Looking at the register page. I think the offence was fraud. I can't see anything in the contemporary press about it

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Quite a find, if that's the same Henry James Hanford!

Married 25th of January 1844.
Commits fraud and is sentenced (22nd of July, the same year) to 5 weeks imprisonment.

Mary's letter to Cape Governor Harry Smith is dated June 4th, 1849. She writes "his last letter <was> dated November the 1st 1846".

We may have narrowed down his date of departure to a 2 year period.

Could he have been transported to the Cape?

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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Could he have been transported to the Cape?
No. He got just 5 weeks imprisonment. It's probable that Perry and Wright were on the same indictment. Perry got 9 months, Wright was found not guilty.

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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retiringtype wrote:
Could he have been transported to the Cape?
No. He got just 5 weeks imprisonment. It's probable that Perry and Wright were on the same indictment. Perry got 9 months, Wright was found not guilty.
Right, so 5 years meant 5 years. I wish I knew why he left his wife, with child, so suddenly.

In 1844, what would the social ramifications have been of being found guilty of such a crime?

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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Right, so 5 years meant 5 years
5 weeks

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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retiringtype wrote:
Right, so 5 years meant 5 years
5 weeks
:lol: :oops: My apologies; that's what happens when you comment seconds after waking up! Nonetheless, 5 weeks meant 5 weeks?

So that's from the Criminal Register HO 27; Piece: 73; Page: 145? I wonder if there is a way to get more information about the trial i.e. court transcript etc.

Thanks again, I really appreciate everyone's responses.

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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I've just been reading about Criminal trials in the English assize courts 1559-1971.

Lancashire
Crown & Gaol Books
1524-1843 PL 25
1686-1877 PL 28

Indictments
1660-1867 PL 26
1877-1971 ASSI 51

Depositions
1663-1867 PL 27
1877-1971 ASSI 52

Other:
PL 28
ASSI 46
ASSI 53
ASSI 93
ASSI 86

Seems like PL26, PL27 and PL28 would be a good place to start? Anyone familiar with these records?

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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I'm not, but always interested in new records, are these available on the National Archives site?
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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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Reading the information on that subject on the NA site it's unlikely case information has survived. I think the registers on Ancestry and FMP in addition to any newspaper coverage are the only likely sources available.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/uk/criminal


http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/wo ... -prisoners


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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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MaryA wrote:I'm not, but always interested in new records, are these available on the National Archives site?
When I enquired, via email to the NA, they responded with a link to this document:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... soners.pdf

This article on NA's website indicated that Crown and gaol books and Indictments are a good place to start, while the Depositions have been heavily weeded and only capital cases survive. So I could probably forego PL27 and just have PL26 and PL28 searched.

PL26 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... s/r/C11631)
PL28 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... s/r/C11633)

Bear in mind, I'm totally out of my depth. :lol:

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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Maybe he was involved in other dubious affairs and after being caught once did a runner to avoid being caught.
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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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Education Officer wrote:Maybe he was involved in other dubious affairs and after being caught once did a runner to avoid being caught.
That's exactly what I'm trying to determine; why he would abandon, so suddenly, his wife with child.

Henry mentioned in his letter, November 1846, that he was in partnership, in South Africa, with a man named Shiel / Shields. Philip Caveney of the Knysna Historical Society found a child born 12 September 1881 to RW Shields (first mention of this name in Knysna).

Perhaps I should spend some time researching Shields. Could he have been an old friend from Liverpool? :lol:

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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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An update! I've received, from the Liverpool Records Office, a copy of the parchment that details Henry James Hanford's misdemeanor.

It seems he had pretended to be the Commander of the Schooner Margaret (in the possession of Isaac Oldham Bold) and had engaged the services of a certain Nicholas Harrick to be a Seaman aboard the Schooner Margaret. He had then signed two Shipping Notes (to the value of 2 pound, 5 shillings each) which apparently he did not have the power and authority to do.

Interestingly, the Schooner Margaret was "about to sail on a voyage to the Coast of Africa". So this is definitely our Henry James Hanford. :lol:

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Thanks for the update - love a bit of a scandal don't we.
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Re: HANFORD Family, Liverpool

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MaryA wrote:Thanks for the update - love a bit of a scandal don't we.

Oooh yes :D
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