Matilda Massey Church
Re: Matilda Massey Church
Nice one Bert
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Re: Matilda Massey Church
Thank you so much. I found Henry in the National Archives with medal ribbon and the address in Warwick Street.
Where did you get the photocopy i.e. site?
Root canal..........don't go there. Maxed out on anaesthetic after 2 hours canals such a funny shape going into 90 degrees and branching off that he's sent me back to my own dentist with advice to remove!!
Will keep searching don't know how you got that far. Would account for Henry not being at home on 1911 census.
Where did you get the photocopy i.e. site?
Root canal..........don't go there. Maxed out on anaesthetic after 2 hours canals such a funny shape going into 90 degrees and branching off that he's sent me back to my own dentist with advice to remove!!
Will keep searching don't know how you got that far. Would account for Henry not being at home on 1911 census.
Re: Matilda Massey Church
Hi Jo,
I have Anc worldwide, so extra seafarers, etc. records available. As far as Henry is concerned I can mostly pick up on his runs to the USA, on the SS Celtic, for the years 1918/19/20. A search elsewhere may reveal his years at sea, unfortunately I get no hits before the above dates.
The 2 boys Army records consist of the Medal cards only, service records probably destroyed.
I have Anc worldwide, so extra seafarers, etc. records available. As far as Henry is concerned I can mostly pick up on his runs to the USA, on the SS Celtic, for the years 1918/19/20. A search elsewhere may reveal his years at sea, unfortunately I get no hits before the above dates.
The 2 boys Army records consist of the Medal cards only, service records probably destroyed.
Bert
Re: Matilda Massey Church
The info. On AEV Church you have is correct he was A/Sgt and the number is correct.
Why though am I unable to find Henry's birth in London in Dec. 1859? On his first marriage he has listed his father as Henry on his second as John sailor and seaman respectively.
Why though am I unable to find Henry's birth in London in Dec. 1859? On his first marriage he has listed his father as Henry on his second as John sailor and seaman respectively.
Re: Matilda Massey Church
The information on Henry's seagoing records is reasonably consistent apart from the year of birth, 1858 and 59 are both recorded, 14, December, never changes.
His first marriage to Ruth Roberts, Henry was registered as 'Churcher'. On the marriage cert, is his father 'Churcher' or has there been a transcription error?
His first marriage to Ruth Roberts, Henry was registered as 'Churcher'. On the marriage cert, is his father 'Churcher' or has there been a transcription error?
Bert
Re: Matilda Massey Church
Absolutely at a loss on that one. Had a quick look last night but cannot find any Henry or John Church or Churcher whi has a son Henry and is listed as either sailor or seaman.
It was suggested to me that Henry might be illegitimate and to "save face" might have made up a name for his father. One thing I do know is that Henry, calling himself Churcher was an illiterate fisherman who married in Cornwall, moved to the I.O.M. Where my grandmother was born joined Liverpool City Police in 1883 and after Ruth's death in 1894 he married Elizabeth Bruce a widow in 1895. He has by now learned to write as you will see on the marriage cert. but has now shortened(?) his name to Church and his father is John.
It could be that as he couldn't read or write previously he only had word of mouth to go by hence Henry Churcher father but by the time he could read and write he had found the relevant information.
I am still puzzled as to how he managed to get from London to Cornwall unless on the death of his father his mother had brought him to her home county or he had got a job as a cabin boy on a boat and turned to fishing. Guess I'll never know but it is both intriguing and frustrating as I can get no further back with him.
My grandfather on my mother's side left a small book where he had written all the names of his siblings with their dates of birth, his own marriage with place and date and all 12 children with their dates of birth so that is a doodle compared to Henry.
Thank you once more for all your help, I shall just have to go back to the grindstone.
It was suggested to me that Henry might be illegitimate and to "save face" might have made up a name for his father. One thing I do know is that Henry, calling himself Churcher was an illiterate fisherman who married in Cornwall, moved to the I.O.M. Where my grandmother was born joined Liverpool City Police in 1883 and after Ruth's death in 1894 he married Elizabeth Bruce a widow in 1895. He has by now learned to write as you will see on the marriage cert. but has now shortened(?) his name to Church and his father is John.
It could be that as he couldn't read or write previously he only had word of mouth to go by hence Henry Churcher father but by the time he could read and write he had found the relevant information.
I am still puzzled as to how he managed to get from London to Cornwall unless on the death of his father his mother had brought him to her home county or he had got a job as a cabin boy on a boat and turned to fishing. Guess I'll never know but it is both intriguing and frustrating as I can get no further back with him.
My grandfather on my mother's side left a small book where he had written all the names of his siblings with their dates of birth, his own marriage with place and date and all 12 children with their dates of birth so that is a doodle compared to Henry.
Thank you once more for all your help, I shall just have to go back to the grindstone.
Re: Matilda Massey Church
Hi Jo,
I thought I'd revisit the crew records, this could be Henry, Bn 1879.
Name:
Henry Church, 29171, 6'-1"...232lbs
Arrival Date:
25 Mar 1919
Birth Date:
abt 1879
Age:
40
Gender:
Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:
English
Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival:
New York, New York
Ship Name:
Celtic
I thought I'd revisit the crew records, this could be Henry, Bn 1879.
Name:
Henry Church, 29171, 6'-1"...232lbs
Arrival Date:
25 Mar 1919
Birth Date:
abt 1879
Age:
40
Gender:
Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:
English
Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival:
New York, New York
Ship Name:
Celtic
Bert
Re: Matilda Massey Church
Thanks Bertione it looks like it could be him the number obviously being a document number as it differs from the one in the previous year. Must try to find out more about the Celtic and when it started its transatlantic runs to see if I can find Henry from 1909 (after he retired from the police) and before 1919. I suspect he was probably either on the ships or working down at the docks.