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Hello!
I'm looking for records on my distant relation, William (middle name possibly Peter/Peters) Hayes, who was born circa 1827. We have been led to believe that he may have worked as a butcher for a while, and emigrated to Australia aged roughly 19. He may have had just one sister.
I have just found a record from the 1841 census of a 15 year old William Hayes working as a butcher on Bolton Street, who could very likely be the William that I am after, but cannot find birth records/emigration records etc etc. If anyone has any info or ideas on where to look, please let me know.
Thanks in advance
Hi Katy and welcome to the forum from West Oz.
Good luck with your search, you've come to the right place
Cheers
Tina
Cornthwaite,Milburn,Coll,Gaffney,Pearce,Singleton,Hazlehurst,Cuthbert,Mackintosh,McAllister,Morana, Corfield
Any census/bmd information within this post is Crown Copyright from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Welcome to the forum. Ancestry has transcribed William Hayes as William Hoyes if anyone is looking at the 1841 Census. Do you know what his religion was? Here are some possible baptisms for William:-
Baptism: 27 Jun 1822 St Mary RC, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Hayes - son of William Hayes & Elizabeth Gough
Born 25 Jun 1822
Sponsor: Mary Quinn
Baptised by: Thomas Fisher
Source: Liverpool Record Office; 282 HIG/1/6.
Baptism: 29 Sep 1822 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Hayes - [Child] of Henry Hayes & Ann
Abode: Circus St
Occupation: Tailor
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1823, Page 102, Entry 1760
Source: LDS Film 1656418
Baptism: 1 Jul 1824 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Miller Hayes - [Child] of Robert Hayes & Alice
Abode: Kent Street
Occupation: Sailmaker
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1823 - 1825, Page 307, Entry 2452
Source: LDS Film 1656418
Baptism: 17 Mar 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Hayes - son of James Hayes & Elisabeth
Abode: Gloster Street
Occupation: Marine Store Dealer
Baptised by: T. Kidd Curate
Register: Baptisms 1823 - 1825, Page 555, Entry 4432
Source: LDS Film 1656418
Baptism: 15 Apr 1827 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Heyes - [Child] of William Heyes & Margaret
Abode: Williamson Street
Occupation: Master Mariner
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1826 - 1827, Page 207, Entry 1652
Source: LDS Film 1656419
Baptism: 31 Aug 1829 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Hayes - [Child] of John Hayes & Margaret
Abode: Gascoyne St
Occupation: Rope Maker
Baptised by: Cha. Tho. Gladwin Offg. Minr.
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1830, Page 56, Entry 447
Source: LDS Film 93878
Baptism: 25 Jul. 1830 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Hayes - Son of Joseph Hayes & Elizabeth
Abode: Back Bridport Street
Occupation: Stone Mason
Baptised by: Augs. Campbell Rector
Register: Baptisms 1830, Page 7, Entry 2648
Source: LDS Film 1068891
Blue
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Hi Katy have you any idea which state he settled in ?
Tina
Cornthwaite,Milburn,Coll,Gaffney,Pearce,Singleton,Hazlehurst,Cuthbert,Mackintosh,McAllister,Morana, Corfield
Any census/bmd information within this post is Crown Copyright from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Hi and welcome to the forum. I hope you get a response from your grandfather as to the occupation, and I'm wondering where you got the suggestion of Flintshire from?
Thanks for the link to Rootschat Blue, there was slightly more information given in that post than on here.
MaryA Our Facebook Page
Names - Lunt, Hall, Kent, Ayre, Forshaw, Parle, Lawrenson, Longford, Ennis, Bayley, Russell, Longworth, Baile
Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright, from National Archives
There are trees on Ancestry for this family (including photos) but they don't look right perhaps a generation is missing from them? A Mary Stratford bc 1838 is suggested as the wife of William yet Family History South Australia has this arrival information:-
HAYES William, wife (Mary STRATFORD?), 6 ch (Jas, My, Wm, Ed, Eliz, son?) arrived in SA 1847-09-16 aboard Augustus (2) from Hobart [Source:6,7]
The children above don't match the family trees on Ancestry. The trees refer to William Peter Hayes and have the birthplace as Flintshire or Liverpool.
Jo on RC has discovered that William came from Flintshire but did go to Australia from Liverpool. More information on RC if anyone is interested in reading about this enquiry:-
Baptism: William Hayes
Birth date: 03 Mar 1825
Baptism date: 16 Mar 1825
Baptism place: Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Denomination: Wesleyan Methodist
Father's name: Robert Hayes
Occupation: Wheelwright
Of: Caergwrle, parish of Hope, Flintshire, Wales.
Mother's name: Mary Hayes [daughter of Hugh and Sarah Davies]
Education Officer wrote:I've just been on Rootschat and it seems the question has been solved. He wasn't born in 1827 and he wasn't born in Liverpool!!
So somebody beat me to it?
DS
Member # 7743
RIP 20 April 2015
Emery, McAnaspie/McAnaspri etc, Fry, McGibbon/McKibbion etc, Burbage, Butler, Brady, Foulkes, Sarsfield, Moon [Bristol & Cornwall]. Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
According to the 1851 Census he was born in Mold, Flintshire, Wales c1835 but the 1841 Census in Mold says not born in county! So approx. birth c1835 but place of birth and parentage still unknown.
And our poster has not returned to acknowledge your posts, although she has posted on Rootschat.
MaryA Our Facebook Page
Names - Lunt, Hall, Kent, Ayre, Forshaw, Parle, Lawrenson, Longford, Ennis, Bayley, Russell, Longworth, Baile
Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright, from National Archives
After receiving a highly uncalled for private message on Rootschat in which the sender accused me of deplorable manners without asking for why I had not been on here, I have been persevering in trying to post a message on here.
I have been trying to get back on this page since posting the question, but for some unknown reason, the page would not load. it is still now not loading properly, and is only showing patches. This is my second attempt at trying to post a message (so far) as when I clicked 'submit' on my first attempt, my screen went to 'This page cannot be displayed' and when I refreshed, the message i'd typed was gone. (I'll be copying this one before clicking submit, just in case!) Does anyone know why I could be having issues with this page, and if yes, how to fix them?
Thank you very much everyone for all your help and suggestions in finding William. I really do appreciate the time and effort everyone has gone to to locate information, and I am very sorry that I have been unable to use it in my research due to being unable to access the page. Thank you all once again!
As an update, I've kind of found him - living in a household with no other Hayes's in the 1841 census (but Ann Peters was part of this household) and living with Ann Peters, her son Edward, and an 11 year old Elizabeth Hayes (who I highly suspect is his sister - my grandfather was always led to believe that he had one sister). I cannot find a record of William's baptism anywhere, but am hoping to find one for Elizabeth, to hopefully discover their parents name, and continue the research back a generation or two.
Thank you all once again for your help, it amazes me what people on these forums are able to discover!
This Elizabeth is not a sister to the William, whose baptism I posted previously...
Baptism: ELIZABETH HAYES
Mother's Given Name: Mary
Father's First Name: Thomas, labourer
Year Of Birth: 1828
Date of Baptism: 27 - Jan - 1828
Place: LLANGYNHAFAL
County: Denbighshire, Wales
Image available.
DS
Member # 7743
RIP 20 April 2015
Emery, McAnaspie/McAnaspri etc, Fry, McGibbon/McKibbion etc, Burbage, Butler, Brady, Foulkes, Sarsfield, Moon [Bristol & Cornwall]. Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
thank you for that, dickiesam, but I'm not sure that that's the right Elizabeth.....the 1851 census gives her age as 11, so I would assume an 1840ish birth. I've just come across a birth record for an Elizabeth hayes from 1842 (born in Mold, Flintshire, which matches with the census info, but is 2 years younger than the census stated) but it doesn't give any info about either of her parents - frustrating!
I've spent hours looking at the Liverpool and Flintshire records and still no luck identifying William and Elizabeth's origins. We can be certain that William was born around 1835 and Elizabeth about 1840. In 1841 William is in a household with surnames Jones and Morris. The Peters are neighbours so the Peters would have known William from an early age before he was taken on by them as an apprentice butcher. No idea where Elizabeth was in 1841. Maybe with mother or being looked after elsewhere by someone else. Perhaps the mother was ill then died? It would explain why William wasn't living with his mother in 1841.
Baptism: WILLIAM HAYES
Mother's Given Name: Sarah
Father's First Name: Thomas
Abode: Prestatyn.
Occupation: Farmer
Year Of Birth: 1835
Baptism Date: 29-Mar-1835
Parish of: MELIDEN,
County: Flintshire
Record set: Flint Baptisms.
Image available.
DS
Member # 7743
RIP 20 April 2015
Emery, McAnaspie/McAnaspri etc, Fry, McGibbon/McKibbion etc, Burbage, Butler, Brady, Foulkes, Sarsfield, Moon [Bristol & Cornwall]. Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
dickiesam wrote:Baptism: WILLIAM HAYES
Mother's Given Name: Sarah
Father's First Name: Thomas
Abode: Prestatyn.
Occupation: Farmer
Year Of Birth: 1835
Baptism Date: 29-Mar-1835
Parish of: MELIDEN,
County: Flintshire
Record set: Flint Baptisms.
Image available.
A couple of people mentioned this on the RC thread. One of the posters, Jomcd967, said the following on Thursday 19 June at 09:54:-
"The William, s/o Thomas and Sarah of Prestatyn can be traced through further census records well past 1871."
